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Homam
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posted April 01, 2008 05:21 PM |
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I don't consider muslims as terrorists.I do consider christians as more terrorists than muslims.In many forms of terrorism.But that's not something that has a lot to do with each religion.It's just who have the advantage in a government level.Now the west christianic world rules(?). So the muslims to defend grow up the religious issue.I bet if the muslims were ruling the world christians would became "crusaders" again.
But something makes the clear difference imo.It's about the books of each religion.Jews for example with talmud.Rabis who teach talmud to jewish makes them to hate the human beings.For example: Every not jewish woman is a prostitute.Or "A jewish is a human.A christian is not".Phrases from talmud. Not to mention how talmud speaks about Jesus and the whole christianism.They learn to hate.I see it everyday with my own eyes what they do with palestinians.
As i know till now there's no other religion that speaks with so much hate for any other religion.
Jewish lobby rules indeed.It's because they are taught that they are not equal to anyone.It's because they think their nation as the "chosen one"
If someone thinks i spoke harsh and told bs about jews well sorry.But it's my opinion.
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posted April 01, 2008 05:27 PM |
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I don't consider muslims as terrorists.I do consider christians as more terrorists than muslims.In many forms of terrorism.But that's not something that has a lot to do with each religion.It's just who have the advantage in a government level.Now the west christianic world rules(?). So the muslims to defend grow up the religious issue.I bet if the muslims were ruling the world christians would became "crusaders" again.
But something makes the clear difference imo.It's about the books of each religion.Jews for example with talmud.Rabis who teach talmud to jewish makes them to hate the human beings.For example: Every not jewish woman is a prostitute.Or "A jewish is a human.A christian is not".Phrases from talmud. Not to mention how talmud speaks about Jesus and the whole christianism.They learn to hate.I see it everyday with my own eyes what they do with palestinians.
As i know till now there's no other religion that speaks with so much hate for any other religion.
Jewish lobby rules indeed.It's because they are taught that they are not equal to anyone.It's because they think their nation as the "chosen one"
If someone thinks i spoke harsh and told bs about jews well sorry.But it's my opinion.
I've never seen so much crap in one post before, well sorry but it's only my opinion.
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posted April 01, 2008 05:35 PM |
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Never forget that to England, the founding fathers were terrorists. To the colonists, they were revolutionaries. It all depends on what side you are on.
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posted April 01, 2008 05:36 PM |
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"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." - Albert Einstein
Of particular note is the thing that most people seem to use 'generalization' (e.g: muslims referring to the muslims in general/media). That is not a bad thing if you read it as such (meaning you understand that it is such a thing).
Muslims may be 'terrorists' as they don't agree (and possibly kill) others (non-muslims). But so do others. I guess we will never know who 'started' this (not that it matters anyway), but in my opinion if you reply to the enemy with the same methods, you are no better than the enemy (note: wonder whether muslims started this at all). They are stupid (the terrorists I mean) but if you response in kind you will be stupid too (or whatever other attribute you assign to them). Also some countries seem to 'impose' democracy on others too (and despise the others), as if it is any better than other individual's 'freedom' (or whatever you would say muslims do not respect). I guess it's just a matter of opinion. In this view, I think a liberal type of thinking is required -- and certainly without regarding a 'standard' more right than another (like muslims regard theirs, or some westerns), at least on individual freedom (i.e without forcing anything). But hey I'm dreaming when people will finally stop forcing ideologies on anyone else. 
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And I'm tired of all the "humans are evil, waaah!!!" nonsense. Guess what. If you are reading this, you are a human. If you think that you're evil, take the appropriate measures. I'm tired of hearing all the whining about it.
Remember what I said above about generalization? Well here's the thing: when you say "humans are evil" is the same as saying "muslims are terrorists" but that doesn't make all muslims terrorists (now does it?). Humans, on the 'general' view, are evil, face it -- just because everyone around you is the same doesn't make you any less "evil" (you know in what sense of the word). A world full with evil is still evil (even though they, relatively, might consider themselves 'average'). But then, if you do not consider selfishness evil, then how would you call a selfless species (imagine one for example)? or for that matter, an evil species?
also what makes us (the 'generalized' view again) better than viruses? I guess you agree that murdering someone (i.e placing emphasis on your own-self, or individual selfishness) is evil. Then, placing emphasis on your species-self is also evil. It works similarly but at a different level (a higher one to be more precise). But then terrorists or viruses place emphasis on themselves (and their kind) too (as much as some people place on their specie or race), so why make them evil? I guess the world is perfect, nothing is evil, we are all pretty angels after all. 
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posted April 01, 2008 05:37 PM |
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I think evil isn't quite right. Selfish seems to fit much better.
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posted April 01, 2008 05:39 PM |
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We're not evil. Actually most people are good persons.
The problem is that we're so incredibly stupid.
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I disagree with that. I think humans don't posses an evil nature ('cause nature isn't good too). but I think people become good/evil due to their (or better: other person's) actions. I believe (purely philospphically) that Good and Evil only exist in faerie tales. Everything that is done (both "good" and "evil") is done by people who think that the thing they do is right. This counts both for really bad b*****ds as commies, and Nazis and and benevolent people like Chartyworkers and Miss World.(all the same)
Terrorists and their supporters are all the same. We see them as "evil" because we vehemently disagree with them (to be honest I call them b******ds too), but they think we are "evil" for the same reason. Our disagrees are so deep, that they are so difficult to solve, but hey, one day the sun will be shining vividly pink and the world will be a better place, if everyone is willing to coöperate that is.
But to answer the question: Not all muslims are terrotists and not all terrorists are muslims (I think that mvassilev is a Muslim too, otherwise he wouldn't have created this thread), but in history the "evil" one allways were the ones who lost. And the evil ones were allways identified by the most dire and savage or of their kin (Hitler, Stalin, Bin Laden,...). Neither of them are harmless kittens or should be embraced, all of them will get the end they'll deserve, but as the face of an organization dispised by a majority of people automatically turns them into monsters. So maybe the monster aren't as evil or as monstrous as they are portrayed.
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posted April 01, 2008 05:46 PM |
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I've never seen so much crap in one post before, well sorry but it's only my opinion.
Yeah and i respect that.But it's your jewish opinion just like mine is my non-jewish.If u want tell me why is this a crap.Tell me what you think of talmud and tell me that these few phrases that i picked up by accident from some hundreds are crap too.
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posted April 01, 2008 06:04 PM |
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I've never seen so much crap in one post before, well sorry but it's only my opinion.
Yeah and i respect that.But it's your jewish opinion just like mine is my non-jewish.If u want tell me why is this a crap.Tell me what you think of talmud and tell me that these few phrases that i picked up by accident from some hundreds are crap too.
Just cause a person lives in Israel he doesn't always have to be jewish, just like all the people in the US are Americans I just happen to be Israely NOT jewish.
All women are prostitutes? Christians are not people?
Dude that's some really messed up ****, the Talmud is mainly about keeping the traditions that god told jews to keep, like the shabath and all the other religious events, like passover, new year and such...
And at least the rabis don't climb on poles like rabid monkeys and burn your country's flag, blow up a stuffed doll of your president and muslims and christians actually could walk safely in Israel where if you'll step your foot in Palestine or Iraq you'll get yourself lynched or kidnapped and then have your head sawn off with a knife like that reporter.
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posted April 01, 2008 06:24 PM |
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how would you call a selfless species (imagine one for example)?
Extinct. No matter how much I hate saying this, that would be the only correct term. :\
Maybe in some other worlds, an entire specie of selfless beings would be remotely possible. But not in this one. Not for now at least.
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posted April 01, 2008 06:33 PM |
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i have anther term of selfless people: Naïve, admirable or maybe foolish ??
Only Harry Potter is selfless (so says Dumbledore in The deathly Hallows: nitwit, oddment, blubber, tweak )
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posted April 01, 2008 06:40 PM |
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i have anther term of selfless people: Naïve, admirable or maybe foolish ??
Well yes, that's quite common for evil 'people' to say "the weak shall inherit nothing" or "doing good is a weakness" or "survival of the fittest" or "nobody will blame you for it" (in case you will get away with it). But let's not get into too much off-topic babble.
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posted April 01, 2008 08:07 PM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 20:07, 01 Apr 2008.
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Well, to be honest I don't care about good or evil (i'm inbetween the two, sometimes swaying too Good and sometimes to Evil, but no even approaching both)
IMO Good and Evil don't exist in their own meaning.
They're just words to express the enemy or the ally (the same difference between mutual understanding and conflict).
btw: if you are selfless (meaning you never think about yourself),I'll consider you foolish. If you are selfless, meaning allways helping others, no matter who it is and what it takes, it's admirable, but still very naïve as well. You may never underestimate youself or others and only help the one who are worthy of help AND trust. You yourself of course determine who is worthy of help/trust, of course.
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posted April 01, 2008 08:24 PM |
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btw: if you are selfless (meaning you never think about yourself),I'll consider you foolish. If you are selfless, meaning allways helping others, no matter who it is and what it takes, it's admirable, but still very naïve as well. You may never underestimate youself or others and only help the one who are worthy of help AND trust. You yourself of course determine who is worthy of help/trust, of course.
What about thinking about others the same as you think about yourself? (i.e not treat others badly while you do not want it yourself?)
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posted April 01, 2008 10:32 PM |
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Just cause a person lives in Israel he doesn't always have to be jewish, just like all the people in the US are Americans I just happen to be Israely NOT jewish.
All women are prostitutes? Christians are not people?
Dude that's some really messed up ****, the Talmud is mainly about keeping the traditions that god told jews to keep, like the shabath and all the other religious events, like passover, new year and such...
And at least the rabis don't climb on poles like rabid monkeys and burn your country's flag, blow up a stuffed doll of your president and muslims and christians actually could walk safely in Israel where if you'll step your foot in Palestine or Iraq you'll get yourself lynched or kidnapped and then have your head sawn off with a knife like that reporter.
Well i don't kno if i could walk safely in israel with the terrorists near who see israel as a target.But i do kno why i can't walk safely in Palestine.Because i don't want to eat any missile from israel.With the same thought i can't walk in Iraq moreover now.Maybe i should visit Tibet 
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posted April 02, 2008 12:07 PM |
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But dropping the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved lives. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.
I was going to tear you apart for this statement but Baklava did so in a much more civlized and correct manner. Thanks you.
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I guess I'm a pretty intellectually dishonest bastard, aren't I?
Me too .
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posted April 02, 2008 02:01 PM |
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posted April 02, 2008 03:09 PM |
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posted April 03, 2008 01:17 AM |
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The whole point is that(the picture) is contradictory.
By the way the chances of actually getting killed in Isreal or tibet for whatever reason, are extremely low. More people get killed per year in america from reckless car driving. (But then not a higher percentage of people id guess) and more people die in china each year from pollution(the number of people affected indirectly or directly is very significant!)
While the chance of dying in iraq/iran/lebanon as a obvious jew(which would admittedly be foolish or even idiotic) are significantly higher.
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posted April 03, 2008 01:35 AM |
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The whole point is that(the picture) is contradictory.
By the way the chances of actually getting killed in Isreal or tibet for whatever reason, are extremely low. More people get killed per year in america from reckless car driving. (But then not a higher percentage of people id guess) and more people die in china each year from pollution(the number of people affected indirectly or directly is very significant!)
While the chance of dying in iraq/iran/lebanon as a obvious jew(which would admittedly be foolish or even idiotic) are significantly higher.
Oh really?
"Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel. About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots.
"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament. "
Read more on BBC - Irans proud Jews
Funnily enough, it was actually Cyrys the Great who allowed Jews to practice their religion freely unlike the previous Assyrian and Babylonian rulers. Considering this is a Heroes board
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posted April 07, 2008 10:43 PM |
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So... basically what you're saying is that dropping two nuclear bombs on cities (overwhelmingly civilian) in a country that was clearly on the verge of losing the war anyway actually saved lives?
And whoever says that dropping atomic bombs doesn't save lives is intellectually dishonest?
It indeed saved lives. An invasion of Japan would have killed more Japanese. What's more, it would have killed innocent American soldiers who were drafted.
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Humans, on the 'general' view, are evil, face it -- just because everyone around you is the same doesn't make you any less "evil" (you know in what sense of the word). A world full with evil is still evil (even though they, relatively, might consider themselves 'average'). But then, if you do not consider selfishness evil, then how would you call a selfless species (imagine one for example)? or for that matter, an evil species?
There is no good and evil. These distinctions are made by conflicting interests and by traditions.
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also what makes us (the 'generalized' view again) better than viruses?
Because we are we. If viruses had a conciousness, I'd fully expect them to think that they are better than us.
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I guess you agree that murdering someone (i.e placing emphasis on your own-self, or individual selfishness) is evil.
There's no such thing as evil. Murder is often harmful to society. Thus, it must be made harmful to the individual who commits it. Hence, the concept that "murder is evil".
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