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posted January 14, 2008 03:35 PM |
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the fact that he wrote books that you think are truthfull,not making them TRUTHFULL.
Infact i think that he is more like any other redical,like zherinoskfy or our Avigador Liberman. reminds me abit of hilter,as well of musalini.
I'm having a really hard time decoding your posts.... Mozilla Firefox? He isn't at all like Hitler! Reminds you... you don't even know him
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posted January 14, 2008 03:54 PM |
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oh i bet you know him ,you are hes frinde right?
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posted January 14, 2008 03:56 PM |
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Edited by pandora at 15:58, 14 Jan 2008.
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Vidoja, your style of posting must change if you wish to continue posting in these topics.
Members have shown a great deal of patience in trying to respond to you, they have taken their time to try to present you with other opinions and ideas that appear foreign to you - and you in return have shown them nothing but disrespect.
It is not your right to demand that people only post what you wish to hear in a thread simply because you started that thread.
You've done little else here than to insult people who have a viewpoint other than your own.
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Ah, you are Romanian. You don't like these pictures because you banned such a picture in some museum on some exibition, did you?
Do nothing to make anyone feel inclined to bother responding to you any longer. In fact you are quite lucky to have not been penalized for it. Take this as a warning that any future comments in this nature will be penalized.
A thing is not true simply because it is your belief that it is.
You have been asked by myself and by Vlaad that you read my thread about responsible posting - you won't be asked again.
If you remain unable to carry out a civilized debate - these threads will either all be closed, or you will find yourself unable to participate any longer.
@ Antipaladin - please do not continue to provoke these arguements with him. It is better to walk away.
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6) NO provocation or aggravaion.
Provocation is unfriendly behavior that causes anger or resentment from others. Aggravation is causing, continuing or increasing irritation or trouble. This includes being a detriment to the peacekeeping of the forums.
Each member is solely responsible for their own conduct - no amount of provocation or aggravation from someone else will justify the action of breaking the rules. Instead of responding to a member who has offended you, alert a moderator about this situation and let them deal with it, keeping you out of trouble
I'll give no more warnings on this topic.
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posted January 14, 2008 04:08 PM |
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Vidoja, your style of posting must change if you wish to continue posting in these topics.
Members have shown a great deal of patience in trying to respond to you, they have taken their time to try to present you with other opinions and ideas that appear foreign to you - and you in return have shown them nothing but disrespect.
It is not your right to demand that people only post what you wish to hear in a thread simply because you started that thread.
You've done little else here than to insult people who have a viewpoint other than your own.
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Ah, you are Romanian. You don't like these pictures because you banned such a picture in some museum on some exibition, did you?
Do nothing to make anyone feel inclined to bother responding to you any longer. In fact you are quite lucky to have not been penalized for it. Take this as a warning that any future comments in this nature will be penalized.
A thing is not true simply because it is your belief that it is.
You have been asked by myself and by Vlaad that you read my thread about responsible posting - you won't be asked again.
If you remain unable to carry out a civilized debate - these threads will either all be closed, or you will find yourself unable to participate any longer.
@ Antipaladin - please do not continue to provoke these arguements with him. It is better to walk away.
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6) NO provocation or aggravaion.
Provocation is unfriendly behavior that causes anger or resentment from others. Aggravation is causing, continuing or increasing irritation or trouble. This includes being a detriment to the peacekeeping of the forums.
Each member is solely responsible for their own conduct - no amount of provocation or aggravation from someone else will justify the action of breaking the rules. Instead of responding to a member who has offended you, alert a moderator about this situation and let them deal with it, keeping you out of trouble
I'll give no more warnings on this topic.
 NO COMMENT, MAYBE I'LL LEAVE THIS FORUM
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posted January 14, 2008 04:12 PM |
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oh i bet you know him ,you are hes frinde right?
This should be a penalty, but no matter. No I'm not his right hand but I am seeing what he is saying and doing here in Serbia. You can't compare a politician and a blood-thirsty nazi leader.
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posted January 14, 2008 04:13 PM |
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Edited by Vidoja at 16:22, 14 Jan 2008.
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@ Antipaladin - please do not continue to provoke these arguements with him. It is better to walk away.
Don't listen antipaladin, I want to hear your oppinion so you can hear mine so that we can debate.
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posted January 14, 2008 09:26 PM |
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At what price do we debate? at such price ,you've got one pentalty,i'm close to get another,this is just time before we both get banned,sirously,i quit. You'r right.
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posted January 14, 2008 09:32 PM |
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You misunderstand if you think that there will penalties for debating. What you will receive penalties for, is if you unable to debate within the guidelines of the forums's code of conduct.
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posted January 14, 2008 10:50 PM |
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Edited by Vlaad at 22:57, 14 Jan 2008.
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1. Nikolic is not for the idea of Greater Serbia, he doesn't want any nation to suffer just as we did (if by Greater Serbia you mean current Serbia, than everybody is for it). Nobody comments the 'Big Albania'
"Greater Serbia" means Serbian parts of Croatia and Bosnia too, which spells conflict with those countries, EU and the US. Nikolic and his Radical Party never gave up the idea and frequently mention it (link in Serbian).
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2. This is possible, but Serbs aren't optimists. If we increased our industry this would be totally possible (Aleksandar Vucic said that, not Tomislav Nikolic)
A loaf of bread for 5 cents is against the laws of free market and means government control over economy. Communism and Nazism are historical examples of government control.
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3. Nikolic wrote 13 books. They aren't stupid, they are quite neutral and truthful.
But, does it take education to be a good man?
Who was talking about goodness? My point was that totalitarian movements (such as Serbian Radical Party) cater to the lower classes, who are usually uninformed and easy to sway.
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posted January 15, 2008 05:22 PM |
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That is your way of seeing it. I was thinking of voting for Tadic, but I heard Nikolic's interview a couple of days ago. I will vote for him, but not as an expansionist, power crazy man. But as a nationalist. I think we should give him the next term in the office. But I'm not voting for him because I think bad of Tadic. I am going to give information about the elections when they begin.
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posted January 15, 2008 05:35 PM |
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Edited by Vidoja at 17:40, 15 Jan 2008.
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A loaf of bread for 5 cents is against the laws of free market and means government control over economy. Communism and Nazism are historical examples of government control.
No, no, no... They would help the agronomists develop the agronomy, and they would make more bread. So, the price would fall. That's their idea.
@antipaladin: I've got a penalty because you insulted my religion. If you realise that I'm right, that is your oppinion.
@Vlaad: From that text it seemed that they find it wrong to exile Serbs from Krajna. Nobody ever said anything to that, but all were active when Serbs 'forced the Albanians out' (statisticaly, their population didn't fall). That was back in 2003, and Nikolic said that the only thing he wants now is Serbia to stay Serbia.
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posted January 16, 2008 01:36 AM |
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A loaf of bread for 5 cents is against the laws of free market and means government control over economy. Communism and Nazism are historical examples of government control.
No, no, no... They would help the agronomists develop the agronomy, and they would make more bread. So, the price would fall. That's their idea.
Sadly, it doesn't work that way. The price of bread depends on the input (flour, power, taxes, etc), as well as the supply and demand. Government can intervene in certain cases, but there are repercussions. Here are a few links in Serbian (if you're interested):
http://vranjske.campware.org/look/novina/article.tpl?IdLanguage=10&IdPublication=1&NrArticle=1655&NrIssue=499&NrSection=10
http://www.novosti.co.yu/code/navigate.php?Id=5&status=jedna&vest=91650&datum=2007-12-30
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From that text it seemed that they find it wrong to exile Serbs from Krajna. Nobody ever said anything to that, but all were active when Serbs 'forced the Albanians out' (statisticaly, their population didn't fall).
I hope we can agree that any act of ethnic cleansing is wrong, regardless of nationality? The Albanian refugees and displaced persons were able to return to Kosovo once the UN peacekeepers (KFOR) took over the control - that's why their number didn't drop in 1999.
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posted January 16, 2008 02:28 AM |
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I hope we can agree that any act of ethnic cleansing is wrong, regardless of nationality?
Apparently not, considering all those cases of genocides, ethnic cleansing and war crimes throughout (recent) history that no one has been held responsible for. Not just in the Balkans.
Ethnic cleansing is, on the scale of international politics, wrong only if it's done by the losing side. Nobody mentions ethnic cleansing committed by winners (a recent international example would be Hiroshima and Nagasaki, a Balkan example would be the Croatian army's "Operation Storm" in the 90s). Not to mention various historic examples.
No one likes accusing the winners of something.
Of course, every single man knows that all ethnic cleansing is wrong. That's where selective public informing and propaganda come in, to tell you that good guys actually didn't do anything and that all those civilians they killed and exiled are actually an optical illusion. That way, people on top can pursue their interests, and average folk are proud of the strength of their just cause.
A bit depressing, isn't it?
Thus it's best to refrain from bringing judgment about things you haven't seen from at least two different angles.
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posted January 16, 2008 09:39 PM |
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The Albanian refugees and displaced persons were able to return to Kosovo once the UN peacekeepers (KFOR) took over the control - that's why their number didn't drop in 1999.
And Serb refugees, when are they going to return to Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo? When? When the Albanians could come back, Serbs should also come back. And, that 'loaf of bread' thing is possible, but I must admit that it is an exageration.
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posted January 20, 2008 09:33 PM |
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EDIT: Kosovo's a province, not a state (like Quebec, spelling?) and provinces can't gain indipendance because that violates the integrity of the country.
Quebec is a province, we only have provinces in Canada. It's the U.S. that got the states.
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posted January 20, 2008 09:57 PM |
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I think the resolution of this might lead to even greater problems in the world. If Kosovo becomes separate state, why Baskia wouldnt? IMHO, they have more rights than Kosovo Albanians to do it.
As far as I'm concerned, Kosovo should stay a part of serbia, but with a dose of autonomy. On the other hand i can understand people not wanting to be under Serbian rule, as long as there are radical people running it. Might sound harsh but I think we need to wait a generation or two until things are finally set up in the Balkans. The old ppl are too rigid in their thinking.
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posted January 20, 2008 10:16 PM |
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True.
Fortunately, we were battling that radicalism for eight years now, and will probably continue, unless the radicals win these elections.
However the current situation is as follows (I can't remember numbers in detail so I'll encircle them):
By preliminary reports, a little more than 60% of the populace has voted in these elections.
Of that, some 40% voted for Tomislav Nikolic, and about 36% for Boris Tadic. The remaining percentage was divided among other parties.
But the second circle of voting will be held, with only Nikolic and Tadic. Tadic has good chances of winning the second circle, though, since all radicals already voted for Nikolic; but a lot of democrats who were divided among other parties (or decided not to vote) will probably vote for Tadic now that he's the only democratic candidate (and the only alternative to the Radicals) left.
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posted January 20, 2008 10:53 PM |
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I think the resolution of this might lead to even greater problems in the world. If Kosovo becomes separate state, why Baskia wouldnt? IMHO, they have more rights than Kosovo Albanians to do it.
As far as I'm concerned, Kosovo should stay a part of serbia, but with a dose of autonomy. On the other hand i can understand people not wanting to be under Serbian rule, as long as there are radical people running it. Might sound harsh but I think we need to wait a generation or two until things are finally set up in the Balkans. The old ppl are too rigid in their thinking.
They(radicals) won't win. Slobodan Milosevic's agression ended along time ago. But even they are a little softer than they were.
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posted January 21, 2008 11:48 AM |
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Israely news paper speaks of the Ellections:
Radical Netionalist Tomisalv Nikolich overdue the president by reciving 39.6% of the votes. While this is enought to overdue preisdeint Talich this is not enought to win the ellection therefor another round will begain shortly.
The commity to check the votes invistigaed that Nikolich Tomislav recivied 39.6% while president Boris Tadich Recived 35.5% of the votes.
A revote will take place at febuary 3'rd.
Boris Tadich is an enthusiastical supporter of the good realtinship with the European Union while Nikolich Tomislav is a Radical Netionalist who is against an alliance with the US and the West.Both candidates Deal with the kosovo Issue', A province with albanian mejority.
Kosovo has around 2 milion residents,they demand indepdence after failing negotiate with the goverment about it future,they recive support form Europe and the US.
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is this why tomislav is so against EU and US?
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posted January 21, 2008 02:48 PM |
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is this why tomislav is so against EU and US?
One of the main reasons, yes. At least I think so.
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