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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 14, 2001 01:02 PM |
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The "DW, HG" thing
Hi
If you look at my ToH record, you will see that I have played hourglass about 60% of the time. Why is this? Maybe you say I like a map, where I get free relics. Maybe I like a map, which has the possibility of giving me level 7 joiners. Maybe you say that i am only playing this map because I am trying to hide my lack of skill. Well to all those who have those sort of opinions, that is fine (to name a couple...wiggy, motorschaaf etc.), but why do you care what I play. I play hg because it is a fun map, the game can usually go either way, and the game is different all the time. I enjoy it, and if you think because I play this map I have no skill, then so be it. My favorite type of map is actually random XL, but because the game takes so long, and there arent that many who play it, it can be hard to play one with someone you trust. So I play a game on hg. I know this map, and I really couldnt be bothered going thru other maps to play, I'd rather spend that time playing, than learning a map. I already know hg and can play it OK, so I stick to it and have fun.
Does this mean I have no skill? maybe, but I would rather play a game I enjoy, than a boring one to me.
Cheers
I
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted November 14, 2001 01:54 PM |
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I do not even think you should feel the need to explain yourself.
It's your internet bill. You bought the computer. You bought the game and it's your time investment.
And skill at this game don't mean shiznit in the real world so who cares what people think.
-Mocara
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jiels
Adventuring Hero
LFM C'thun, pst.
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posted November 14, 2001 03:14 PM |
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Mocara says it best! As always. 
All of the complaints that I have heard about maps seems to be whining to me. Occasionally there is a good point or criticism made but it usually comes across as dumb snowing, imo.
The thing that really makes me laugh is how people made claims about some maps being 100% luck. I find that funny because I know a lot of people that have 80% success rates on those "pure" luck maps. Strange, that someone could win SO often on a luck map. Maybe they are cheaters? 
Anyways, I'll quit venting and just point out that everyone plays the maps they like. Just because someone likes different maps then you doesn't mean their opinion is better. Hell, look at the people in the other forums that only play against the computers, are their opinions correct or better then yours?
jiels (Sticking up for his Captain)
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Defreni
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 14, 2001 04:04 PM |
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Well Rychen.
To explain my point I really gotta take up an old thread I made, when this board was first put up.
Hope u dont think I think less of ppl that plays one or mtwo maps only, specially if u read my sentiment on maps
Just gotta say it has softened up abit, now I do play alot more closed maps, than I did at that point.
Tjeck out "Open maps, Closed ,maps, Random maps".
Ill bring it up so its easy to find.
And btw, really gotta agree with Moc on this one. Each his own taste
Defreni
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Icon
Adventuring Hero
Tower Loving Criminal
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posted November 14, 2001 04:31 PM |
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jiels:
I am the one who says that HG is 100% luck game.
On one condition:
Both players played it enough times and know what to do.
It all comes down to what you got from utopias and what creatures joined you. Sometimes the number of towns of the same tape also helps but from my experience the game is over before you have time to develop second town.
I hope you realize that winning HG without Diplomacy is really hard (Tower/Rampart/Castle have huge adventage).
rychen:
Mocara is right. No point in explaining yourself. Its much more fun to play with ppl you know and who are good players.
I personally like new maps. But Im not a ToH player, I dont play for points, just for fun. You, on the other hand, need points so it is obvious that you play a map you know. As you said there is no need in wasting time for learning a new one.
As far as HG is concerned. I think this map is great. It is slightely different every time. Most maps never change at all.
BTW I wonder how long does it usually take you to defeat your opponent. And are you the one who attacks or rather are you a defender. I hope its not a secret
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted November 14, 2001 04:39 PM |
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Rychee is one of those players who earns his points through skill and not through memory. I've only played him on Random maps (didn't know you played HG!) and I've never doubted his playing ability. He could kick my bum any day of the week on any map I'm pretty sure.
Everyone plays Hourglass these days. It's just about impossible NOT to play it. That he plays it 60 percent of his time is far better than the person who plays it 99 percent of the time (with one random map which he lost) thrown in there for good measure.
Rychee is a player of the highest calibre and I don't like people disrespecting him calling him a one map wonder. We all have our favourite maps (he's the one who got me hooked on randoms you know!) and I'll be the first to admit that I'd rather play something that neither of us know instead of having to spend hours timing things out in single player mode just to learn the opening moves. If I was truly any good at HG, I'd play it too!
Don't knock it, you knockers, or you just might get knocked!
*smile*
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Zanudas
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 14, 2001 09:49 PM |
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He he he ryche one map player 
But imho. U play for points like a most TOHers,and thats why u are in TOH LOL.
So why u shuold to explain us ur mind? IMHO again, that u dont think that u are v good in HOMM . And u are a bit afraid to play on new map and to loose points. So thats why u are posting here this topic, to be more shure in urself or something like it, sorry but i cant explain it better .
erm.... Nothing more I think.... erm.....
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zsa
Famous Hero
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posted November 14, 2001 10:31 PM |
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Quote:
So thats why u are posting here this topic, to be more shure in urself or something like it, sorry but i cant explain it better.
I can Zanudas. And I can start by saying that you are wrong. If he played for points he would of played only newbies or begginers but he doesn't do that. Also, if u look at his record, u see that he has more losses than wins so your explenation is not right.
I do not like to play a map to many times this is why I like best random maps. I do not see the point in playing a map so many times, u do the same thing over and over again.
I got bored already playing boomerang and I have played it only aprox 8 times - LOL I got so bored that I almost fell asleep during one game on that map(really happened!).
But I can somehow understand the guys that play only one or two maps. (at least I am trying )
Don't get me wrong there may be great guys (I know some) but I don't see the point or the fun (maybe that's the way I am).
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Zanudas
Tavern Dweller
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posted November 15, 2001 03:53 AM |
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Zsa Man plz name me Zanuda, with out S ok? And its not only to Zsa...
Man If I am wrong then I am realy happy, coz then ryche... is not so childish... And I hope that he is not.
I want to be wrong.!
But in any case first my thoughts was that he is wanting to proof him self that he is no so bad in other maps, exept, HG.
Or that anybody offended him, and he wants to "expalin" himself in first time, and then to others TOHERS why he is playing HG so much.
But I repeat that its only IMHO. And I want be wrong with all my heart
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 15, 2001 06:10 AM |
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to Rychen & others
wiggy here.
yeah, I think Mocara has said it best.
I have nothing against people who play hg, yet when I see on their toh profile that it's the ONLY game they play, I think to myself, "do I REALLY want to play him?"
If hg really IS a luck map (and I think it is), even then it cannot be said that the players of those maps have no skill. That would be a big fallacy.
The only thing I have against those who play hg ONLY, is that they keep ZMing me to get me to play the friggin' map ... and they won't play any other map ... and when I DO play them, they've mysteriously formed the ANGELIC ALLIANCE and come down and beat me like a slave.
For the people who play ONLY one map ... whatever that map may be (unless randoms) ... I do not question their skill, I question their sanity.
In conclusion, I can see how others find the map fun, but I don't.
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted November 15, 2001 07:16 AM |
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Any maps Any Time
I play anybody anytime on anymap
This is a game its tons of fun and thats that!!
Luck Plays a HUGE role in any map you can find... unfortunate or not there is no such thing as an "all Skill" map.
Only time I will refuse to play a map is when a player has that map as "only Option" this to me says I stand no chance. Because I like any/all maps and don't bother to work out strategies... I do this while I see my area and as the game goes This is just my style and how I like to play.
And Rychen I play hg with ya anytime and you'll beat my ass anyway.. why... cause even in the so called "luck" map the better player will normally win 
So thats all for me folks
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The Dead Walk!!!
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 15, 2001 08:54 AM |
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And Rychen I play hg with ya anytime and you'll beat my ass anyway.. why... cause even in the so called "luck" map the better player will normally win
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this is 99% true ... the 1% is when opponent receives Angelic Alliance and the other receives Ring of the Magi. Happened to me TWICE! Same two artifacts!
I got the ring
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Undead_Knight
Known Hero
Hero of Chaos
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posted November 15, 2001 09:58 AM |
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comb artefacts
its easy to remove comb artefacts :
1 play with those who has 1.4 version
2 edit map you want to play - make it SoD map and remove all comb artefacts.
So there is no problem with ring of the magi and angelic alliance
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JTL
Hired Hero
King of Tossers
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posted November 15, 2001 11:00 AM |
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Gotta blow the dust off my TOH message board reply button here....been so long since I looked in here and didn't find some B.S. crud about:
"what's your favorite level 7 creature to guard you if you were trapped in a mine shaft and being invaded by homocidal nuns from the west and flatulent aliens from the south"
Alas, I digress....
Topic of one map 'kings':
I gotta agree with destro on this one, play one map all ya want...I see the appeal of developing an 'iron-clad' strategy on a map and pitting it against someone elses 'iron-clad' strategy and 'may the best man win'. So...rock on all you DW studs! **oooohh** DW2 DW3 on their way, I'm sure you are trembling with anticipation.
Personally..that would be boring as heck...I like the game for discovery and for me thats why... random is king (50% XL / 50% L I think). I think that forces you to adapt on the fly and makes for an exciting game.
Topic of Luck maps:
As many have said before...if there was no luck...this game wouldn't be fun or popular. If I had a penny for everytime someone said "random maps are based solely on luck".....boy...I had at least a nickel. Sure there is component of luck...but I've found 'luck' is what people make of it. I could ramble on somemore..but everything has already been said at one point or another so I'll just cut it off here......
just happy to see the return of decent topics to the board.
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Wow...it says I could use BB code here..but not HTML... I got no clue what that means
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wiggy_wam
Promising
Famous Hero
local pirate
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posted November 15, 2001 01:32 PM |
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yeah JTL, I agree.
that's why I see these maps as "relic races" rather than "luck maps".
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 15, 2001 01:38 PM |
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I have to disagree....
I have played yawacko probably 10 or 15 times on hourglass, and I have beaten him once. This doesnt tell me that it is solely a luck map, or how could he beat me so many times? Fact.... he is a better player, so he beats me. Only the most massive amount of luck can help me pull off a win. But isnt getting Crag, boots of speed, and res or implo in your guild on any other ToH map, luck as well?
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jiels
Adventuring Hero
LFM C'thun, pst.
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posted November 15, 2001 02:09 PM |
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Thanks Rychen
Hey Rychen,
that's the point I was trying to make. I know people with records like that on maps that are "relic races."
Having been shown evidence that they are not just "relic races" I have to disagree. Wiggy Wam, and all the others that disagree with me, I suggest you try playing some players like Yawacko or Jex on hg3. Or Flamingo on Dw. Or JoetheWinner on a random map. After a few games with these players I'm sure you will see what I mean about luck not being THE game winner. All I have been trying to say is that "luck" is not what wins or loses a game on these maps. It can make a difference sometimes but not as much as you may think.
Sorry for hijacking your thread Rychen, I have just been wanting to get this off my chest for a while.
jiels (the whining loser)
ps. Icon: Most hg players prefer to play on hg3 where there is a box that gives diplomacy, and dd has been taken out. Try it, it's a lot better then hg2, imo.
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted November 15, 2001 03:08 PM |
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is ok, mate, thats what it is here for
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Shae_Trielle
Honorable
Famous Hero
of Heroes
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posted November 15, 2001 03:28 PM |
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I've never been lucky and won a game. Hell I never win a game much anyways! I get lucky and then lose a game! But for some reason, winning just doesn't come my way as often as I'd like!
Hmmmm, must have something to do with that thingy... what is it again? Skill?
Yes, that must be it!
*smile*
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Mocara
Famous Hero
what?
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posted November 15, 2001 03:30 PM |
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Christmas morning
See Rychen...you genius...you knew how to get this board active again =)
Jiels you are SO right. If it was total luck then that would not explain how some people win on it 90% of the time.
But luck is a factor in any map with this many relics.
First off there is a pattern to how the map is played and by now it is public knowledge so if both players play "ideally" and both take their towns...liberate mines...claim island relics...rip utopia and then consolidate at the same effectiveness then the deciding factors will be the units/relics/and how the main hero developed. But this is the same on all closed maps. Just noticed more on this relic rich map.
I think the most deadly thing on HG is something that noone talks about.
In most games my opponent says "no hit and run". So agreeing to this rule the scariest thing for the other side is if one side gets double or triple town.(once i got triple stronghold...woo hoo).
Hourglass is kind of like Christmas morning. We know we all got something under the tree but it's always so fun to see what it is.
It's addicting to roll up to that island and see what is there. It's fun to hide your stats from the opponent or load artifacts to make them think you got a +12 knowledge artie on the island..lol
Its a blast to see what the utopia holds.
A blast to pick up those shipwreck survivors and check those tombs to see if you got a relic.
It's a suspenceful map and also because it is closed it allows me to work on my business between turns.
C'mon Santa, Titans Cuirass and Earth tome...puh-leeeeease!!!
-Mocara
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