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posted March 04, 2008 09:18 AM |
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Indeed, but some people feel the need to look down on others so they can feel better about themselves.
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watcher83
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posted March 04, 2008 09:48 AM |
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people are not equal just as much they are not all the same, diversity is good
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Aculias
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posted March 04, 2008 10:29 AM |
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I would like to think all people are equally but I think people would like to be treated equally.
Circumstances & the environment, race & sex prevents that unfortunately.
For yrs people put down others because of who they are & how they we're grown up.
I treat women as equal as men.
Being human we are all the same but women Anatomy is some different then men.
The brain that works in a woman & a man is interesting.
Not even the Flower he can not be figured out 
Point is as long as there is no peace & hatred in this world, there will never be equal between certain people.
Not nessarily men & women but the environment on how you are raised.
For yrs women fought for thier rights to many things.
For yrs we looked down on them like men are the ones who can vote,work & the such. Women takes care of kids & clean the house with the Kitchen.
For yrs people look at the history & the womens rights.
It's history but just like how long racism lasts in thier minds, so does equal to certain people.
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Azagal
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posted March 04, 2008 12:18 PM |
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Yay some1 who agrees with me xD.(finally)
And thnx for stating that out it was exactly what I meant.
No worries wasn't so difficult
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people are not equal just as much they are not all the same, diversity is good
If so you could justify genocides as some people are "less equal" than you. Look the statement "All men are equal" does not imply that people are all the same individuals! It simply says that all humans are humans. There is no person that has the right to have more rights than any other person because in the end we are all human. Is that clearer?
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mvassilev
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posted March 04, 2008 02:13 PM |
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But if a newborn is has a defect,would that make him should be treated diffrently??
Certainly. If he has good parents, then they would pay even more attention to him than they normally would. If he has bad parents, he might be neglected more than he would if he were normal.
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When they say all people are equal, it's not about how they are born. It is about what they do with their life.
What they do with their life is hard to seperate from how they are born. Some succeed, but most don't.
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Sorry mvass but I think you didn't understand the sentence "All men are created equal". It's as Ismail said it means people are born equal.
That is a literal interpretation. And not all people are born equal. A mentally challenged child born into a poor family is already not equal to a genius born into a rich family.
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So? Yes now they are not the same anymore but that doesn't mean that they should be treated any diffrently does it?
Yes, it does. They should somehow be accommodated.
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The chances for their later life are determined by their enviroments not by their conditions.
Their chances are determined by their environment and their conditions. And many "mentally challenged" people aren't really mentally challenged, they're just extremely lazy, because their parents didn't teach them otherwise.
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the defects are most likely because of the technology that the man made it
Some people can't cope with modern technology becuase of some defect. That means that they're unequal.
The law should treat all people the same way. But we ourselves should treat people based on what they are.
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ismail222
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posted March 04, 2008 02:17 PM |
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Indeed, but some people feel the need to look down on others so they can feel better about themselves.
I agree.
And that's what we call narrowmindded or has issues  .
P.S : All this arguing makes me feel like we're on the Dr.Phill show .
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Azagal
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posted March 04, 2008 02:28 PM |
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We are not talking about the same thing here...
For me "All men are created equal" = All people are humans therefore they all enjoy the same rights and are the same as humans. There is no situation in which person A is worth more than person B if you look at them as humans.
For you "All men are created equal" = The next step. You look at the individuals and then say that they are not equal. Well of course they aren't!!
And aslong as you say that the sentence "All men are created equal" is up for interpretation a discussion will be of no use since everybody can say what he thinks about this without being wrong. For me the message is clear and I don't think that the sentence is ment to be interpreted.
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posted March 04, 2008 02:47 PM |
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Well, it was basically said many times here, yet I'll compile it.
Men are equal in being humans, in their very existence and willing to be happy.
In all other things, poeple differ. This does not outright mean we can compare it. Of course someone taller is taller, but is he better for that? This cannot be judged so easily.
The best example are sexes. A woman is someone completely different than a man, but does this make any of them better or worse. But again, they are not the same, they perform completely different, or even uncomparably, in various roles. Is removal of these natural differences worth, forced by some people, it? Will it benefit anyone? I doubt it.
So is it in other cases - exteremely rarely can an average tall man become a great basketball or volleyball player, a non-genius won't probably push science forward, and so on.
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booboo
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posted March 04, 2008 05:03 PM |
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yes, ppl are equal at birth but as life passes we make our choices and evolve or not.
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violent_flower
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posted March 04, 2008 06:08 PM |
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Oh Acu the Flower is not that hard to figure out 
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Orodruin
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posted March 04, 2008 06:20 PM |
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Look at you parents and then look at the mirror, you see any similarities and differences? So what, there's no point on saying we are equal or not, it's both things and depends on the subject.
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Seraphim
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posted March 04, 2008 08:10 PM |
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Sorry mvass but I think you didn't understand the sentence "All men are created equal". It's as Ismail said it means people are born equal.
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Even newborns aren't the same. Some already have defects. Some are geniuses. We are a product of genes and our environment.
So? Yes now they are not the same anymore but that doesn't mean that they should be treated any diffrently does it? The chances for their later life are determined by their enviroments not by their conditions. If the challenged baby would grow up in a rich family maybe he could be cured. If a genius grows up in a trash family his genius life will be wasted.
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Not necessarily. You could be born a genius or mentally challenged. You are just born and you are already unequal.
Yes you are unequal considering your metal abilities but you are human thus you are the same.
"All men are created equal" is about human rights, not about the illusion that all people are the same througout their lives of course they aren't how could they? Everybody has diffrent envrioments thus has grown to be a diffrent person. But that doesn't change that all men are equal as humans.
The so called "Geniuses"are not equal but on some of their abilities there are also the downsides too.Anyway,what I want to say that those ppl need other schools and teachers for them so they can devel better.
Everything is relative,nothing is absolute.
PS:"Order is for Beginners... A Genius controls Chaos... "
Your signature Azgal is good.It might come as true.
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mvassilev
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posted March 04, 2008 09:45 PM |
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There is no situation in which person A is worth more than person B if you look at them as humans.
In the eyes of the law. But look at it from an economic perspective. A business is hiring. There are 2 candidates: a pregnant mother who dropped out of high school, and a highly-skilled Harvard graduate who was at the top of his class. These people are not equal from the business's point of view.
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want to say that those ppl need other schools and teachers for them so they can devel better
They can probably excell in normal schools. They would do even better, however, in special schools.
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posted March 05, 2008 01:23 AM |
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In the eyes of the law. But look at it from an economic perspective. A business is hiring. There are 2 candidates: a pregnant mother who dropped out of high school, and a highly-skilled Harvard graduate who was at the top of his class. These people are not equal from the business's point of view.
Everybody knows that you hire the most qualified person for the job. But what has this got to do with "all men are created equal"? That frase is not written from the business's point of view.
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mamgaeater
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posted March 05, 2008 01:32 AM |
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All men were created equal that is until god found a way into the prebirth storage area
sorry bad joke
sorry if it may offend anyone of my own religion or others
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mvassilev
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posted March 05, 2008 01:39 AM |
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Everybody knows that you hire the most qualified person for the job.
But if one is more qualified than another, it means that they're not equal in that respect. And that phrase can be looked at from many perspectives.
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All men were created equal that is until god found a way into the prebirth storage area
That joke is offensive to my lack of religion, infidel.
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Minion
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posted March 05, 2008 02:32 AM |
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Everybody knows that you hire the most qualified person for the job.
But if one is more qualified than another, it means that they're not equal in that respect. And that phrase can be looked at from many perspectives.
No it canno't, and it is just plain stupid to do so. So you think that taking things out of their context and THEN beginning to analyze it, is smart? Think again. Furthermore, equality does not mean what you make it mean in that way. Equality of the humans value, as in human rights, not at all whether one is an outstanding genious or not.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
-Thomas Jefferson
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mvassilev
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posted March 05, 2008 03:10 AM |
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Equality of the humans value
But not all humans have the same value. Think about it.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
-Thomas Jefferson
People are equal in the regard that they deserve life, liberty,, and the pursuit of happiness, but they are not equal in other regards.
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vlad976
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posted March 05, 2008 05:05 AM |
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It all depends on how people are being compared.
In an all-encompassing literal argument, nobody is "equal". Even if you were cloned you two wouldn't end up being "equal" because your clone would build up a different set of experiences from that point on.
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Azagal
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posted March 05, 2008 06:24 AM |
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
-Thomas Jefferson
Thanks Minion you got the point.
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People are equal in the regard that they deserve life, liberty,, and the pursuit of happiness, but they are not equal in other regards.
You got it!! So what is there left to discuss? That's true nothing to argue there is there?!? Humans are all the same as humans, as individuals they are all diffrent.
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