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Thread: Worst upgrade in Heroes III This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV / NEXT»
maretti
maretti


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted June 02, 2008 03:21 PM

I remember a game on bb vs Petrus. He was fortress and I was tower. While I was in the desert he killed the block and took my town. I ran all the way through to his 3rd area and at day 7 I could reach his town which he defended to get the advantage of new troops next day. I had red orb and golden bow and blocked the gate round one with my genies. Needless to say he didnt stand a chance.
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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted June 02, 2008 03:32 PM
Edited by liophy at 15:34, 02 Jun 2008.

Well, golden bow makes the situation much different.

With golden bow and red orb Tower has advantage regardless of weather you are outside, inside siege or open fight.

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Gazolin4
Gazolin4


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God bless us. Even atheists!
posted June 06, 2008 10:11 PM
Edited by Gazolin4 at 22:14, 06 Jun 2008.

This is my top 10 of worst upgrade:


1 Magog            - more 50 golds, 12 more shots, +1 attack, +2 speed and Fireball(SO DANGEROUSLY, But on the other side it's effective)

2 Cyclops Kings    - more 350 golds, 2 more speed, +2 attack, +1 defense, 8 more shots, attacks siege walls(advanced ballistics)

3 Dendroid Soldier - more 75 golds, more 10 hp, 1 speed

4 Zombie             - 5 more hp, +1 speed, 25 gold, 20% Disease

5 Horned Demon       - 20 more gold, +1 speed, more 5 hp

6 Gnoll Marauder     - more 20 golds, 1 more atk & def & speed

7 Obsidian Gargoyles - 30 more gold, +3 more speed, 1 more atk & def

8 Wraith             - 30 more gold, +2 speed, drains 2 points of mana from enemy hero every turn

9 Hobgoblins       - 10 more gold, 1 more atk & def, +2 more speed

10 Zealots??         - more 50 gold, no penalty for hand-to-hand attacks, 12 more shots, +2 speed

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PrinceJasca
PrinceJasca


Hired Hero
posted June 26, 2008 06:49 AM

Dendroid Soldier is a bad upgrade. But I think the worst is Magog and Cyclops King.

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ByteBandit
ByteBandit


Promising
Famous Hero
Soul Merchant
posted June 26, 2008 07:56 AM

I think Pikeman to Halbedier is not that big of an upgrade.
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Lexxan
Lexxan


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Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted June 26, 2008 08:27 AM

This is my top ten of worst upgrade

1) Horned Demon
2) Gnoll Marauder
3) Dendroid Soldier
4) Skeleton Warrior
5) Cyclops King
6) Obsidian Gargoyles
7) Zombie
8) Hobgoblin
9) Orc Chieftain
10) Medusa Queen

I actually like the Magog upgrade; Their fireball works perfectly well with Demon Haversting and Efreet Sultans. Just send your Familiars (or Cerberi, if you wish to sarefice them) in the heat of battle, hasten your Magogs (so that they act before the Pit Lords) and fire-up both enemy and Familiar. Then raise Demons from the Familiars. (It works for me ) I love Magogs, but their best use is when they (as an emeny) are hyponotised by me
It would upgrade them after you got the Demon Gate and Upgraded Hell Hole; they are a pest before this.

Another overrated upgrade is the Master Gremlin. Sure having another Ranged attacker in your army is very good (as Magi suck and Titans are very rare), but MG require a lot of buffing before they are able to do any dammage. The Master's damage is tiny. But they ARE a lot better than Gremlins, so I didn't list them there.
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Gazolin4
Gazolin4


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God bless us. Even atheists!
posted June 26, 2008 09:53 AM

Quote:
9) Orc Chieftain
10) Medusa Queen


They aren't bad upgrades

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Gazolin4
Gazolin4


Known Hero
God bless us. Even atheists!
posted July 06, 2008 05:58 PM
Edited by Gazolin4 at 18:00, 06 Jul 2008.

Hmm, it's hard to tell that magic elemental is an bad upgrade
For us all, the magic elemental upgrade is 50-50
But for me it's a great upgrade simply because they can't be hitted by Armageddon (this strategic way is sometimes called Dracageddon, because the two strongest dragons, Gold Dragons and Black Dragons (In RoE) are immune to level 1-4+ spells)
But on the other side it has a negative upgrade. They can't be blessed with beneficial spells(bless, counterstrike, prayer etc.)

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MmmNachos
MmmNachos

Tavern Dweller
posted July 07, 2008 05:05 PM

Quote:
Why did nobody mention:

Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?

5 damage and 5 attack and MAGIC IMMUNITY? I'd rather have mind spell immunity anyday. Consider Titans: Most debuffs are resisted against and most buffs are accepted. Magic immune sucks, that's why I don't like to use dragons.




True, didn't think of that one. I was mad when I figured out I couldn't teleport the upgraded version!

All in all though, you get 5 health, 5 damage, and speed from 7 to 9 for only 50 gold. I still think it's worth it.
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Hindorff
Hindorff


posted July 07, 2008 07:43 PM

Quote:
Why did nobody mention:

Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?

5 damage and 5 attack and MAGIC IMMUNITY? I'd rather have mind spell immunity anyday. Consider Titans: Most debuffs are resisted against and most buffs are accepted. Magic immune sucks, that's why I don't like to use dragons.




Ahh! Thank you!! Definitely the worst upgrade in my book. Magic Elementals are already statistically very weak for level 6, so it sucks that you can't use supportive magic on them, and Conflux can really benefit from a Mass Bless once in awhile. I HATE Psychic/Magic Elementals.

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del_diablo
del_diablo


Legendary Hero
Manifest
posted July 07, 2008 07:50 PM

Quote:
Why did nobody mention:

Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?
Psychic Elemental?

5 damage and 5 attack and MAGIC IMMUNITY? I'd rather have mind spell immunity anyday. Consider Titans: Most debuffs are resisted against and most buffs are accepted. Magic immune sucks, that's why I don't like to use dragons.


The attack animation is soo cool that it needs weak stats
It is buildt for arrmageddon and last standing(immune to implosion and other imba stuff).
And it got the Hydras star skill.
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angelito
angelito


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proud father of a princess
posted July 08, 2008 07:44 AM
Edited by angelito at 07:45, 08 Jul 2008.

A level 6 combination between Chaos Hydra and Black Dragon is a bad upgrade???


tstststs....
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Hindorff
Hindorff


posted July 08, 2008 08:30 AM
Edited by Hindorff at 08:34, 08 Jul 2008.

Quote:
A level 6 combination between Chaos Hydra and Black Dragon is a bad upgrade???


tstststs....


The upgrade is bad because it provides magic immunity and zero statistical additions to an already-poor unit which could stand to benefit greatly from a number of spells (Bless, Teleport, Haste, Prayer, Resurrection.) Also, you get the Hydra bonus with Psychic Elementals without the upgrade, so that's not the question---the question is whether you're willing to pay more for magic immunity. Besides, even without magic immunity, there are better targets of offensive spells when facing Conflux than them.

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Gazolin4
Gazolin4


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God bless us. Even atheists!
posted July 08, 2008 08:51 AM

The magic immunity has the same way as Magogs fireball, Fearie Dragons spells, The dragons 2-hex breath, Archangels 2-hex size and some more..
They all have good and bad informations.

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Hindorff
Hindorff


posted July 08, 2008 09:04 AM

Quote:
A level 6 combination between Chaos Hydra and Black Dragon is a bad upgrade???


tstststs....


I apologize, I was getting incorrect statistics from various web sources because I didn't have a booklet handy to check stats. Boo

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angelito
angelito


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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted July 08, 2008 09:05 AM

Quote:
Quote:
A level 6 combination between Chaos Hydra and Black Dragon is a bad upgrade???


tstststs....


The upgrade is bad because it provides magic immunity and zero statistical additions to an already-poor unit which could stand to benefit greatly from a number of spells (Bless, Teleport, Haste, Prayer, Resurrection.) Also, you get the Hydra bonus with Psychic Elementals without the upgrade, so that's not the question---the question is whether you're willing to pay more for magic immunity. Besides, even without magic immunity, there are better targets of offensive spells when facing Conflux than them.
Providing magic immunity is not a bad thing I would say. You can rely on your tactics in fight coz u know your opponent can't do anything against it with the help of a spell (slow, blind, implo, etc...)

And I think you all underestimate the statistical improvements of a magic elemental.

-> +2 speed
-> + 50% damage
-> + 5 health
-> + magic immunity

...and all these things for 50 (!!) gold more? Means you have to pay around 6.5% more than for the psycho elemental.

Now let's talk again about cyclops, manticores, wyverns.....
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Hindorff
Hindorff


posted July 08, 2008 09:12 AM

Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
A level 6 combination between Chaos Hydra and Black Dragon is a bad upgrade???


tstststs....


The upgrade is bad because it provides magic immunity and zero statistical additions to an already-poor unit which could stand to benefit greatly from a number of spells (Bless, Teleport, Haste, Prayer, Resurrection.) Also, you get the Hydra bonus with Psychic Elementals without the upgrade, so that's not the question---the question is whether you're willing to pay more for magic immunity. Besides, even without magic immunity, there are better targets of offensive spells when facing Conflux than them.
Providing magic immunity is not a bad thing I would say. You can rely on your tactics in fight coz u know your opponent can't do anything against it with the help of a spell (slow, blind, implo, etc...)

And I think you all underestimate the statistical improvements of a magic elemental.

-> +2 speed
-> + 50% damage
-> + 5 health
-> + magic immunity

...and all these things for 50 (!!) gold more? Means you have to pay around 6.5% more than for the psycho elemental.

Now let's talk again about cyclops, manticores, wyverns.....


Haha, I agree, I take that back. I found a bogus site that was reporting a Pit Lord-esque mentality about this upgrade: same stats and speed. Should have known it was wrong.

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kyrub
kyrub


Hired Hero
posted July 02, 2016 04:38 PM


How the AI rates the upgrades, from worst to best:


Silver Pegasus
Scorpicore
Horned Demon
Familiar
Master Genie
Cerberus
Evil Eye
Thunderbird
Zombie
Medusa Queen
Hobgoblin
Lizard Warrior
Skeleton Warrior
Champion
Obsidian Gargoyle
Orc Chieftain
Wyvern Monarch
Infernal Troglodyte
Master Gremlin
Dragon Fly
Cyclops King
Efreet Sultan
Gnoll Marauder
Mighty Gorgon
Arch Mage
Wraith
War Unicorn
Halberdier
Marksman
Centaur Captain
Battle Dwarf
Crusader
Dread Knight
Magog
Greater Basilisk
Wolf Raider
Harpy Hag
Royal Griffin
Grand Elf
Power Lich
Minotaur King
Zealot
Dendroid Soldier
Vampire Lord
Iron Golem
Ogre Mage
Ghost Dragon
Pit Lord
Diamond Golem
Naga Queen
Gold Golem
Chaos Hydra
Sprite
Arch Devil
Ancient Behemoth
Gold Dragon
Archangel
Titan
Black Dragon



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Anil
Anil


Known Hero
posted July 02, 2016 05:02 PM

Pit Lord
Wraith
Cyclops King
Scorpicore
Magog
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frostymuaddib
frostymuaddib


Promising
Supreme Hero
育碧是白痴
posted July 02, 2016 05:12 PM

Anil said:
Pit Lord
Wraith



ROFL

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