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GenieLord
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posted May 09, 2008 10:32 PM |
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Awarding QP's Policy
I want the policy of "not giving QP's for mods" to be changed. I simply think it's unfair towards our modders.
I'm looking at the Temple, and I see that every good post there is awarded with a QP, but here, a good mod isn't awarded with a QP. People can put more efforts in making a good mod that people will use, than in writing a post at the Temple, but they still won't be prized for that. Great modders have sometimes small amount QP's, but great posters have many.
So people who come to the Workshop (especailly new members) must be thinking "Why to put so much times and effort in making a mod at the Workshop when I can get a QP easily at the Temple?". This policy simply makes less people to be active here.
Changing that policy will:
1) Bring much more members (and newbies) to the Workshop.
2) Will incourage experienced modders to make more quality mods.
3) Will increase the number of the mods available.
My main question is: "Why not?"
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 03:42 AM |
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If I was to make a mod and post it here, I wouldn't be after a QP. If I was to make a mod, it would be for people who might actually enjoy what I do. QP's really don't matter in the long run, Genielord. It is just another red star or another little number in your profile. I think you have given good points in your posts, but I don't think that QP's are worth it in the long run.
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Cleave
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posted May 10, 2008 04:31 AM |
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Edited by Cleave at 04:35, 10 May 2008.
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I agree with William. At the end of the day what matters is that modders are able to bring something to the game that will make it more enjoyable for other players. They don't do that for QPs.
I like the work of magnomagus, his mods are awesome and the fact that he doesn't have any QP doesn't make his mods less interesting to me as a Heroes V fanatic.
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radar
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posted May 10, 2008 08:23 AM |
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Edited by radar at 09:46, 10 May 2008.
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The truth is, QPs actually would encourage me to make new mods.
Remember, you receive bonuses from them in form of flood protect removal, others see you as reliable person etc.
If I'm a modder, I use my time for making mods, not for writing 2 pages long QP worthy posts in the Temple. That policy would be really handy. Both are for the community after all.
People' satisfaction from your mods is one thing and QP another. Don't tell me you wouldn't be happy even more if you received one.
But if we agree on that, the terms should be clear. A mod must draw attention and... must be finished. We (Vokial) can't give a shiny for projects, which thus having a lot of pages in a topic, aren't finally released.
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GenieLord
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posted May 10, 2008 12:13 PM |
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@William and Cleave: But QP's will incourage the modders, wouldn't they? So why not?
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 12:16 PM |
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I think Modders are more interested in making the mods and wanting to hear what people say about their mods, rather than get QP's.
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GenieLord
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posted May 10, 2008 12:21 PM |
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I think Modders are more interested in making the mods and wanting to hear what people say about their mods, rather than get QP's.
But QP's will incourage them to make more good mods!
The Temple has become twice more active with the new policy of giving QP's for good posts, so why not doing it here?
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 12:23 PM |
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I would have thought the Temple is more active because of the new releases in the games and not the QP's.
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GenieLord
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posted May 10, 2008 12:25 PM |
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I would have thought the Temple is more active because of the new releases in the games and not the QP's.
Hmm... That adds, too, but what makes people to invest more in their posts, and to actually make quality posts, is the fact that QP's are awarded.
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 12:26 PM |
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Not necessarily, Genielord. I doubt that people try to make quality posts in regards to the mods in an attempt to QP's. Although QP's might make a little more activity here, I don't think that is what people strive for.
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radar
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posted May 10, 2008 12:26 PM |
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I think Modders are more interested in making the mods and wanting to hear what people say about their mods, rather than get QP's.
what about both?
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GenieLord
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posted May 10, 2008 12:28 PM |
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I agree with radar:
William, you haven't brought one reason of "why not". 
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 12:29 PM |
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Because then people might try to make mods in order to just get QP's, and that might cause people to be QP-hunters.
In time, when peoples mods are completed and not just half done, then they would probably get QP's.
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GenieLord
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posted May 10, 2008 12:34 PM |
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I would agree, but even when people complete their mods, they don't get QP's for them.
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william
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posted May 10, 2008 12:35 PM |
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Well if they are small mods but aren't particularly useful (like a graphics or something) then I wouldn't give it a QP. But for the big mods which may change the game in several main ways, then that is worth a QP.
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Cepheus
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posted May 10, 2008 12:35 PM |
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In time, when peoples mods are completed and not just half done, then they would probably get QP's.
But the system right now doesn't even do that. There's basically no reward for your hard work apart from people saying how great you are. Which is all well and good, but it's also one of the reasons why I can't complete any of the mods I've been working on apart from ToK. No real reason to bother.
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radar
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posted May 10, 2008 12:36 PM |
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I'm proud of you William
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Gnoll_Mage
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posted May 10, 2008 01:01 PM |
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I do think more QPs should be awarded to mods. I'm not sure about whether it would encourage people etc., but for me the fact is that they are quality items, and it seems strange that quality in one forum is not rewarded but similar things are given QPs elsewhere.
However, when I think about it harder, I can kinda see where sfidanza was coming from when he chose to do things this way. Where do you stop giving the QPs? You'd either end up with too few given, or probably more likely, too many (NCF creatures for example...). Also; the level of quality of a mod is clear enough that people could start getting annoyed when one mod gets a QP but another, which is of similar quality in their eyes, does not. Yet, the level of quality is not really clear enough for Vokial to be able to come up with some purely quantitative marking method.
Sf suggested a new system for rewarding modders and awarding for mods, but I'm not sure this is really the answer either, and besides I can't imagine that Val would be willing or happy to implement such a scheme.
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Gnoll_Mage
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posted May 10, 2008 01:09 PM |
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Because then people might try to make mods in order to just get QP's, and that might cause people to be QP-hunters.
In time, when peoples mods are completed and not just half done, then they would probably get QP's.
I don't really understand what you mean by QP hunting. For me, that means asking for a QP for something you've done. That might be what you meant, although the first part of the sentence suggests that a hunter is someone who makes mods just to get QPs. I can't clearly see the issue here. Quality is quality; it doesn't matter if the poster wanted the QP or not, or if they did it purely for the QP or not - if the criteria stay consistent and sensible, the QPs will simply be rewarding quality. Which is what they're for. I guess the counterargument is that QPs reward the community-centric ideals of the poster, as well as the actual post. After all, someone who works hard for the community and gets a QP, as opposed to someone who does whatever just for the QP, is probably someone who is a generally better forum contributor.
 It's no wonder QP debates crop up every now and then. It's a tricky field to deal with. Certainly makes the forum unique anyway.
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mvassilev
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posted May 10, 2008 03:32 PM |
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Because then people might try to make mods in order to just get QP's, and that might cause people to be QP-hunters.
But we'd have more mods.
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