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OmegaDestroyer
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posted June 18, 2008 09:30 PM |
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It's more humane to execute them than to keep them rotting in prison at the tax payer's expense. Utilitarianism only goes so far. There is little hope of redeeming the likes of child molestors, rapist, and murderers.
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posted June 18, 2008 09:38 PM |
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Edited by JoonasTo at 21:38, 18 Jun 2008.
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There is also the possibility that they weren't the one who did it.
What would you do then? Just say sorry to their family?
As long as we don't know for sure they did it (which really won't be ever possible) we shouldn't have death penalty but there is already a thread about it.
To put something on topic why don't hockey players get charged for battering each other I ask? It would be the right thing to do. There's no good excuse for not locking them up.
This applies to a lot of other games too. Zidane anyone?
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posted June 18, 2008 09:56 PM |
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I'm actually against execution by e.g: electric chair -- for me it's a very savage method of dealing with a problem. If you want to kill him, do it fast, shoot him in the head. Why do we have to inflict on them the things they do on us? At least, if we call ourselves 'better' than them.
I thought execution by electric chair was quick and painless, just one shock and you're done...
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To put something on topic why don't hockey players get charged for battering each other I ask? It would be the right thing to do. There's no good excuse for not locking them up.
Maybe it's because they do sports voluntarily and they accept the fact that they could be physically damaged while doing it?
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posted June 18, 2008 09:57 PM |
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Or maybe it's because they get more viewers and money talks. 
Nevertheless. It's absolutely stupid. 
Fight clubs are illegal so why isn't fighting in hockey?
If we agree with my friend that we take all responsibility of ourselves and fight and if someone reports us to the police we get charged.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:00 PM |
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Well I guess if one of the players pulled out a gun and started shooting other players or something, he would be locked away. Then again, it could be hard to draw the line between what's assaulting and what's just playing the game.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:05 PM |
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How can it be hard when someone is beating a guy up? 
BTW. I don't have to shoot people to go to jail. 
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posted June 18, 2008 10:12 PM |
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I still say as a new form of entertainment a giant colosseum should be build where stupid peop-- uhr, volunteers can enter and beat the crap out of each other. Also a good way to get rid of criminals.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:15 PM |
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Wouldn't that be an old way of entertainment?
I'm up for it. I'd probably be the first in line to go in and get myself beaten up.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:16 PM |
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How can it be hard when someone is beating a guy up?
Well sometimes beating a guy up is just playing ice hockey. Or boxing. Or rugby. No, not rugby, that's too sophisticated... American football, that testosterone-dripping sport for American guys who need to feel manly. Many sports include violence as a core part.
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BTW. I don't have to shoot people to go to jail.
I know. I was giving an example.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:19 PM |
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Then why is it not allowed to beat people up in hockey or american football?
Not like american footballers can feel anything through those steel plates and helmets though.
Just struck my mind. american sports are quite sissy when it comes to it. They have to wear thirty kilos of protection to be manly enough to go to the field.
Neither rugby or ice-bandy has protection but hockey and american football do. 
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posted June 18, 2008 10:21 PM |
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Maybe it's because they do sports voluntarily and they accept the fact that they could be physically damaged while doing it?
That is absolutely correct. By playing the game, they are consenting to any batteries that may be inflicted on them. Consent negates all intentional torts.
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Just struck my mind. american sports are quite sissy when it comes to it. They have to wear thirty kilos of protection to be manly enough to go to the field.
Neither rugby or ice-bandy has protection but hockey and american football do.
And look how smarter they are for it. And no, I'm not implying that Football players are intelligent human beings.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:23 PM |
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Consent negates all intentional torts.
Intentional ones are the ones I'm talking about. Fights are banned in hockey rules and they are intentional yet they somehow elude the justice system. Why is this?
They are smarter? Then why do they fight?
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posted June 18, 2008 10:29 PM |
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I thought execution by electric chair was quick and painless, just one shock and you're done...
Depends on the guy in question, but most 'healthy' ones will live enough to feel their eyes going out of their sockets (not really the true pain however, as it is 'softened' by the electric shock).. nevertheless it's still a brutal method, next to the gas chamber.
Besides, it wastes a lot of electricity, I still say shooting in the head is simpler
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posted June 18, 2008 10:33 PM |
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I have no idea why they fight. Probably because of tradition or something. Probably because it sells tickets. People love to see two grown men beat the crap out of each other. It's similar to how people love to see car crashes at races.
"YEAH! LOOK AT THAT CRASH!!!"
*Crowd cheers*
"Ooo.. looks like the driver died."
*Crowd feels bad but doesn't appreciate the irony of the situation.
As to resolving the fights, the courts certainly aren't going to waste their time on such trivial matters. Besides, the leagues have the power to punish egregious offenses, so let them deal with it.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:37 PM |
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Fights in sports fulfill every mark, reason or whatever they are called in jurisdiction, of assault and battery. Why aren't they counted?
Besides it's not like watching a video, saying three years of jail and hittin the hammer down will take much time.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:41 PM |
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If we start to kill for whatever we think is ok (such as defending ourselves) in the same manner as they do for whatever they think is ok (whatever the reason), we'll most likely not be any better.
We are better than them if we kill them. Because whatever reason they have for killing, they are not an organization authorized to kill killers. Thus, such an organization (the government) can kill those who kill or try to (after the due process of law, of course).
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posted June 18, 2008 10:42 PM |
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We are better than them if we kill them. Because whatever reason they have for killing, they are not an organization authorized to kill killers. Thus, such an organization (the government) can kill those who kill or try to (after the due process of law, of course).
Actually some do have an organization, but we view them as terrorists. Who gives the 'authorization'? Do you think the government is divine or something?
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posted June 18, 2008 10:45 PM |
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The people that elect the government can give it the authority to kill other residents of that country, with due cause. This is different from terrorist organizations, because they are not a country, and given their powers by their citizens.
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posted June 18, 2008 10:50 PM |
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I, personally, don't think that a system in which the majority decides if we kill Joe Smith or not is very healthy. Actually politicians lie too, so not only the majority decides...
oh, and terrorist organizations are supported by people, do you think they'll flourish otherwise? they depend on the media to "spread their cause"
some are just labelled terrorists simply because they're against the government. Only if the government were any better (obviously depends on the terrorists & government in question, not all are bad or the same).
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posted June 18, 2008 10:53 PM |
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I, personally, don't think that a system in which the majority decides if we kill Joe Smith or not is very healthy.
If said Joe Smith is a killer, then it is healthy. An eye for an eye is a fair system.
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oh, and terrorist organizations are supported by people, do you think they'll flourish otherwise?
Yes, but does anyone elect them? Do they have a referendum where the majority votes that it's okay to kill one of them if he/she kills? No, I don't think so.
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