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podz
podz


Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 06:06 AM
Edited by alcibiades at 15:20, 27 Jul 2008.

What's the best counter for the imfamous black dragon?

hey guys


im out of ideas i cannot defeat the black dragon




the only thing i did to fight it wich seemed to work was mastering the balister.

it did a fare bit but still  i got rumped with a strong full barbarian army





please guys gimme some ideas on how do defeat this crazy creature

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Isabel
Isabel


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Dragonblessed
posted July 09, 2008 06:53 AM
Edited by Isabel at 06:54, 09 Jul 2008.

Well, Black Dragon is a very tough opponent since you can't PM or Frenzy them.

You are facing Dungeon with Stronghold right? You don't have magic anyway

1. Try to arrange your units carefully so the dragons can hit two of your stacks at once
2. Use Untame to stun them?
3. And you have mentioned, maybe triple flaming ballista?

And you need Shatter Summoning and/or Destructive too if you want to survive...

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Mytical
Mytical


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Chaos seeking Harmony
posted July 09, 2008 07:08 AM

Your Cyclops can give them a run, especially because you should be able to start getting them WAY before Dungeon gets dragons.  Make sure to have at least Memory of Our Blood and the building that gives you rage built.

The key is getting trying to hit the dragons first (to build up rage).  To that end..Word of the chief (from Cheiftains), haste from Shammies, and if possible Call of Blood from your hero.  Divine Guidence or another Word of the chief from hero is also an option.  With Kragh, place powerful blow on them and he can help them take down the dragons.

The key is rage, rage, and more rage.
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winterfate
winterfate


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posted July 09, 2008 07:18 AM

Oh yeah!

To illustrate, here's my latest Stronghold replay. Granted, I'm facing Emerald Dragons, but they have 50% more initiative than Black Dragons, so they can be dangerous as well.

Poor Sylvan army never stood a chance.

Replay link: http://www.speedyshare.com/301965208.html

(And yes, I do realize it's named Woah. )
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podz
podz


Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 07:38 AM

but im talking about all factions in genral.

what are tactics if u relay on magic

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Isabel
Isabel


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Dragonblessed
posted July 09, 2008 09:34 AM

You don't need any specific strategies against Black Dragon. Your aim is to decimate your enemy's army. Why not to use your magic to take out the "no immunity to magic" creatures and focus all your troops on the dragons?

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Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 09:49 AM

y didnt i think of that!!!



thanks

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Mytical
Mytical


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Chaos seeking Harmony
posted July 09, 2008 10:26 AM

Town by town strategy against Black Dragons.  Now I want to note this is not considering the respective heroes..which changes everything.

Academy - Focus on the non-magic resistant creatures, or summon a phoenix to keep them busy.  Mini-art titans with +init, +att, and +MR arties.  Or haste the titans (Mass haste of course preferred).  Do as much damage with Titans as possible before they reach you.

Necro - Wraiths + Arcane Armor.  If you can't kill em by hitting them, do it by death touch.  Armor the Wraiths, raise as needed, and just harm touch them till they cry.  Frenzy one of their friendly units next to them is an option also.

Sylvan - Besides Arcanes...If dungeon has dragons most of the time so do you.  Your spells can help even the score a bit, but having them on your avenger list is almost a MUST.

Fortress - Your own dragons are pretty tough also.  With runes, they can be downright nasty.  They are kinda slow, so light with Haste is a good idea (with mass haste is even better).

Inferno - hmm this is a tough one.  Devils if you got em, Succubi Seducers (for the dragon's closest 'ally') if you don't.  If you can get a gate in, try to absorb attacks and retals with the gated creatures.

Haven - Marksman, Paladin, Arch Angel combo?  Lure em close enough to the Marksman that he gets full damage (and his special) and you can hurt them bad.

Stronghold - already discussed.

Dungeon - Doesn't need discussed.  Your dragons vs their dragons.
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kermit
kermit


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Soul hunter
posted July 09, 2008 11:50 AM

There is no particular strategy to kill black dragons, it's one tough creature that you have to kill with all your might. If anything light magic can be of help as well as initiative boosters.

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forest001
forest001


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posted July 09, 2008 12:11 PM

i can tell you what to do as sylvan, just stomp them stomp them hard!!, your dragons are much faster chance is your unis are too (and you should have some move modifier to that eg. tactics, aura of swiftness or familiar grounds) so shouldn't be a problem. i would rather worry about warlock himself. he's probably greater thread and you can't kill him. as for defeating big stacks of neutrals i advice ents + AA's and droods of your choice.

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podz
podz


Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 01:21 PM

right now im having a go with inferno


my plan is to max my succubus with jezabel then get devils and max gating



hopfully the gating will destract them enuf to let me target the drag

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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
posted July 09, 2008 01:26 PM

The dragons are not about distracting, it's about hitting them hard. Besides there will normally not be many on the battlefield because the warlock needs to rush. Not all maps have a tier 7 dwelling to gain 4 blackies per week
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ChaosDragon
ChaosDragon


Famous Hero
posted July 09, 2008 01:45 PM

If you're inferno, your arch devils and pit spawns already a match for them, ofc black dragons are slightly better.

Seducing some dungeon's creatures sometimes won't work on equal final fight, because he will send his dragons to the front, especially if there is a chance to do breath attack.

For any factions, there are no specific strategy for this, just beware of its breath attack, avoid this breath attack, it's the most dangerous weapon of any dragons.

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podz
podz


Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 01:49 PM

i was gonna use succubus mistress and pit lords


i love succubus mistress lol


and pitlords ability to kill at least one

i assume that on dragon would own

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Elvin
Elvin


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Endless Revival
posted July 09, 2008 01:57 PM

Hehe yes I would pick mistresses as well, they act slow and may die to a spell before they seduce something. On the other hand a lucky chain shot can do some neat damage against a defense starved warlock.

It's mostly about initiative with the high attack-low defense factions, if they act first they will spell your doom if you do you can hurt them badly.
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Moonlith
Moonlith


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If all else fails, use Fiyah!
posted July 09, 2008 01:58 PM

It doesn't really own that much.

In a 4 pitlords vs 2 black dragons match, that ability own.

In a 40 pit lords vs 20 black dragons, it aint that usefull.. The later the game, the more useless that ability is, and the more usefull a pit spawn's ability.

Of course, the more the armies are crippled and beaten down, the more usefull it becomes again
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podz
podz


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Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 01:58 PM

finally somebody who understands my mistresses hehe

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podz


Hired Hero
Armageddons blade will return!
posted July 09, 2008 02:00 PM

i guess it would'nt hurt for one of the 2 main armies to have both races



you cant deny that



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Fauch
Fauch


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posted July 09, 2008 08:14 PM

Quote:
finally somebody who understands my mistresses hehe

and if you get a chance to seduce the lizards?

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Isabel
Isabel


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Dragonblessed
posted July 10, 2008 03:32 AM
Edited by Isabel at 03:32, 10 Jul 2008.

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Hehe yes I would pick mistresses as well, they act slow and may die to a spell before they seduce something. On the other hand a lucky chain shot can do some neat damage against a defense starved warlock.

It's mostly about initiative with the high attack-low defense factions, if they act first they will spell your doom if you do you can hurt them badly.


Um... Yes you are right. But I prefer seducers usually as I think that 1 initiative won't matter much at the beginning of battle. Seducing a powerful enemy creature allows you to deal much more damage than succubus mistress.

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