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Thread: Have you ever tried martial arts? Facts and myths about MAs. [ This thread is 31 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (10) 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 ]
TheDeath
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posted September 03, 2008 01:33 PM

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thedeath: i dont bite im just too experiansed to believe in aikido or other "arts". Art is painting or music, fighting is fighting, its to teach people how to break noses and knock out, not to teach how to meditate! its useles!
I don't think you have experience with aikido if you don't even know what you're talking about (I mean the aikido part). I don't doubt your experience with fighting, and you may very well be true. However, I don't think you have experience with aikido because you don't even know how "it is" (not necessarily how effective, but just how it is!).

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wog_edn
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posted September 03, 2008 01:34 PM

I have no idea what karate tsunami is but atm I am practising krav maga, kickboxing and shootfighting ^^
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Doomforge
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posted September 03, 2008 02:06 PM

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I have no idea what karate tsunami is


Trust me its better that way


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but atm I am practising krav maga, kickboxing and shootfighting ^^


Very nice.

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posted September 06, 2008 04:29 AM
Edited by BoxerPL at 04:55, 06 Sep 2008.

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I don't think you have experience with aikido if you don't even know what you're talking about (I mean the aikido part). I don't doubt your experience with fighting, and you may very well be true. However, I don't think you have experience with aikido because you don't even know how "it is" (not necessarily how effective, but just how it is!).



im sorry for late answer the school takes too much time. death I don't have to eat s.h.i.t to know it tasts bad! for example.

the same with aikido it's just good against untrained people, trained guys are too fast and too strong for the aikido attacks. Only some of them are ok but most are useless! and if you try to catch my fist like aikidoka, good luck. impossible.

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posted September 06, 2008 04:44 AM

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TA: nice to hear that, great choice And good luck!


Thanks. I'll need it
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posted September 06, 2008 06:36 AM
Edited by TheDeath at 06:37, 06 Sep 2008.

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im sorry for late answer the school takes too much time. death I don't have to eat s.h.i.t to know it tasts bad! for example.
Interesting, actually you have to taste it to know for yourself. You don't because other people tell you it tastes bad. Thus you rely on what other people tell you in this example, something which you accuse me of

ever heard of prejudice?

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the same with aikido it's just good against untrained people, trained guys are too fast and too strong for the aikido attacks.
Most martial arts (not sports) are focused on speed and concentration, so while trained guys might be too strong for aikido, I don't know if the fast thing applies.

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and if you try to catch my fist like aikidoka, good luck. impossible.
Me? Who said I'm a master? (I don't even practice aikido, but you know, I have contacts, and the thing is, if I were to judge aikido by my LIMITED focus on it, it would be a prejudice on my part -- or restricting myself to my neighborhood).

and of course even if I were, how do you expect me to catch your fist, with an internet post?

but people are always that way, and this doesn't apply only to martial arts in any way! People always ask "I want to see you do that for me". The thing is, any video regarding that is, you know, "fake" (they say computers can now do wonders) and everyone will demand that for their own skin. Does it matter, the request for it will never end anyway.


Do you consider impossible to pull a TRUCK with your EAR (tied to a rope on the truck)? What's that based on, common sense or prejudice? There is a guy in the Guinness World of Records that has done that, despite your limited common sense tells you

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posted September 06, 2008 09:13 AM
Edited by Adrius at 09:15, 06 Sep 2008.

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the same with aikido it's just good against untrained people, trained guys are too fast and too strong for the aikido attacks. Only some of them are ok but most are useless! and if you try to catch my fist like aikidoka, good luck. impossible.
You sound as if you've been in some sort of free-for-all fight with an Aikidoka... and even if you have, you don't have the right to judge all who practice Aikido, I bet some of them could beat you
(Mainly because Boxers aren't taught grappling, he he)

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posted September 10, 2008 02:33 PM

Hey guys! I just got some awesome martial arts advice from my friend who does martial arts! I'll share the knowledge I have gained with all of you now.

1. ALWAYS start the fight/match by punching the other person in the shin. That is very effective and hard to counter!

2. When you are kicking, aim for the other person's pinkie. a Direct hit to the pinkie can paralyze your opponent with pain.

3. Avoid hitting the other person in the face, the stomach and the groins. They are the most enduring areas of the human body, you will just make a fool out of yourself.

4. When you are in a very desperate situation, gently pull the hair in the back of your opponent's head. Don't do this unless you really have to.


I hope these proved useful to all of you .
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posted September 10, 2008 02:34 PM


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Asheera
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posted September 10, 2008 02:36 PM

Hehe
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Doomforge
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posted September 10, 2008 04:01 PM

wow, my advices seem so poor in comparison!

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BoxerPL
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posted September 14, 2008 03:32 PM

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Interesting, actually you have to taste it to know for yourself. You don't because other people tell you it tastes bad. Thus you rely on what other people tell you in this example, something which you accuse me of


So I do but you say your self you dont fight.. just read forums and Seagal interviews! Great he is next to Van Damme in the category "WOODEN ACTOR". Good man to take knowledge from (sarcasm)

The truck example provs that you can pull a truck with your ear. Too bad there is no proove that aikidoka can beat anything except from his friends on training

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TheDeath
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posted September 14, 2008 03:40 PM

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So I do but you say your self you dont fight.. just read forums and Seagal interviews! Great he is next to Van Damme in the category "WOODEN ACTOR". Good man to take knowledge from (sarcasm)
Better than YOU at least.

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The truck example provs that you can pull a truck with your ear. Too bad there is no proove that aikidoka can beat anything except from his friends on training
Well you have one "extraordinary" proof (the truck thing). I'm only saying that if that guy didn't go there, everyone would shout "it's impossible"

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dragontooth
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posted March 12, 2010 12:55 PM

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My friend has a friend that owned 6 guys at once

Yeah, and I can levitate with the power of my mind.. its just as probable to happen. How could he possibly apply 6 punchers, assuming he is a striker, without being hit even once? It happens only at kung-fu movies, where the bad guys await for our bruce lee to finish them, or come one at time so our star can own them. It's NOT easy to KO a big, mobile man. See how much time it takes for boxers to knock each other if they don't apply a "lucky hit". You say random thugs don't have the endurance and skills of a boxer? Well, I'm pretty certain you don't have the strength and agility of a professional boxer either. And you can't harden your jaw.


Yip man did own 10 japanese martial artists at once, during world war II. Its true.


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My style, XXX, teaches ancient martial killing moves!

Lol, just lol. Killing moves do not exist - outside movies, that is. Forget it. Unless your enemy hits a curbstone with his head while collapsing after your KO. Instant kill indeed


Some moves will disable you. Like eye pokes, strike to the groin, etc.. and then you are in deep trouble.


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I want to be like Bruce Lee, so i'm trying to harden my fists by <insert one of thousands of methods here>

As for Bruce, he was a great technician, but he was an actor, mostly. I respect him for his devotion towards martial arts; he also inspired thousands of youths to start training instead of drinking until they drop, but don't fool yourself; he wouldn't defeat 3+ opponents. He wouldn't win a MMA cagefight. It's not possible. The weight difference, for example, making him in a very bad position. He also lacked grappling (ground fighting) skills that are the backbone of modern MMA (mixed martial arts). He would be taken down to the ground and owned by an armbar or choke. Although he was pretty much the first "exotic martial artist" who became interested in groundfighting in addition to punching.


He wouldnt defeat 3 opponents? He formed his own style Jeet-kune-do that was highly effective. He was taught by Yip Man, the guy who defeated 10 guys. What is 3 opponents to Bruce?

And you said he wouldnt win a MMA cagefight, maybe, but he would win in a street fight. Not everything has to go by MMA or UFC rules. In a street fight, there are no rules.


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Those shaolin monks would defeat anyone!

No, they would not. You can believe in chi or other stuff - hard truth is: our body works in a certain way and no chi will help a 130 pound weakling win against a 200+ pounds proffesional MMA fighter. If the Shaolin style was soo good, those guys would fight in UFC instead of showing cheap tricks to public. Yes, most of their stuff are simple tricks. Sorry to bust the legend, but that's how it works.


The Shaolin monks are not supposed to take part in fighting competitions. Stop thinking that UFC or MMA is everything. I would bet they would kick those UFC guy's arses anyday. You probably dont know much about Shaolin monks do you?

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posted March 12, 2010 01:24 PM

You didn't read the thread dragontooth.  Please stop trolling.
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Doomforge
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posted March 12, 2010 02:27 PM

I smell a troll.
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posted March 13, 2010 10:17 PM

I wonder if you did enough research on Bruce Lee to call him "mostly an actor".

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Martial artist Bruce Lee was involved in competitive fights. Some by date, some without. Dan Inosanto stated, "There's no doubt in my mind that if Bruce Lee had gone into pro boxing, he could easily have ranked in the top three in the lightweight division or junior-welterweight division."


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Bob Wall, USPK karate champion and co-star in Enter the Dragon, recalled one encounter that transpired after a film extra kept taunting Lee. The extra yelled that Lee was "a movie star, not a martial artist," that he "wasn't much of a fighter." Lee answered his taunts by asking him to jump down from the wall he was sitting on. Wall described Lee's opponent as "a gang-banger type of guy from Hong Kong," a "damned good martial artist," and observed that he was fast, strong, and bigger than Bruce.

"This kid was good. He was strong and fast, and he was really trying to punch Bruce's brains in. But Bruce just methodically took him apart. Bruce kept moving so well, this kid couldn't touch him...then all of a sudden, Bruce got him and rammed his ass with the wall and swept him up, proceeding to drop him and plant his knee into his opponent's chest, locked his arm out straight, and nailed him in the face repeatedly." Bob Wall


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In the same Long Beach event he also performed the "One inch punch", the description of which is as follows: Lee stood upright, his right foot forward with knees bent slightly, in front of a standing, stationary partner. Lee's right arm was partly extended and his right fist approximately an inch away from the partner's chest. Without retracting his right arm, Lee then forcibly delivered the punch to his partner while largely maintaining his posture, sending the partner backwards and falling into a chair said to be placed behind the partner to prevent injury, though his partner's momentum soon caused him to fall to the floor. His volunteer was Bob Baker of Stockton, California. "I told Bruce not to do this type of demonstration again", Baker recalled. "When he punched me that last time, I had to stay home from work because the pain in my chest was unbearable."


You can see his one inch punch from youtube. I bet you haven't seen it or you wouldnt talk like that. So, martial arts expert, you really dont wanna debate with me?
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posted March 14, 2010 05:48 AM
Edited by william at 08:22, 14 Mar 2010.

Yeah, for once I agree with this nutcase Dragontooth. Whoever called Bruce Lee an actor clearly has no idea.

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Noticed it was Doomforge. Oh well, still stand by what I say and think that's a load of ****. Who's to say he wouldn't win versing multiple opponents or in some MMA (whatever it is) match. Also, I've even read multiple things to say that he did fight versing multiple people and people much bigger than him and whatnot, so I don't know where you pulled that "actor" stuff out of. Maybe your arse? (just kidding btw). I just wouldn't  assume like that in the future.
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dragontooth
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posted March 14, 2010 05:54 AM

What?! Ima nutcase? How did you know that?

Anyway, here's the one inch punch he did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keS3OTNger8
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Doomforge
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posted March 14, 2010 09:44 AM

Guys, Lee had 0, that is ZERO documented REAL fights. On the other hand, he played in a few movies. That makes him a professional actor and not a professional fighter.

You can believe in anything you want, I'm just giving the facts. Those are quite obvious: Bruce Lee never had a real fight, so whether he would do well or not is up to our imagination.

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Who's to say he wouldn't win versing multiple opponents or in some MMA (whatever it is) match.


You can also say he would fly or toss a kamehameha. Look, the guy is dead. There is no way to prove it. The fact is however that the current fighting technique requires an intense grappling expertise, in which Bruce Lee lacked, simply because it was not popular back then. That alone makes him an instant loser of EVERY fight with a capable MMA fighter, excluding a lucky punch which proves nothing.

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Also, I've even read multiple things to say that he did fight versing multiple people and people much bigger than him and whatnot, so I don't know where you pulled that "actor" stuff out of.


And I read he could fly. That must be true.

Again: Can you show any of his documented fights?
if you can't, there isn't a shred of proof how well he would do in practice.

Can you show movies in which he participated?
Yes you can. That makes him an actor. Isn't that obvious?

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I just wouldn't  assume like that in the future.


That is not an assumption, it's simple logic.

I have nothing against B.Lee. I liked his movies. He's just not much of a modern fighter. He's dead, so he doesn't have a chance to change it, too.
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