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Natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted August 15, 2008 11:48 PM |
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Pera, get a life . There are more interesting things to do than argue about heroes. You get joy and pleasure in doing nasty things in a game - what kind of person are you . You should consult psychotherapist. By the way with the statement "giving u the taste of your own medicine" you become banal and limitted . I maybe the puppy of Strider but if I catch you I will bite your head.
As for Elvin, we had an argument, then you said it is ok no problem, but now we see that there is a problem. So the moral is that you are a coward. Elvin, why are u so slow mentally ??
As for my MASTER Strider, why everyone envies him?
I will tell you the simple answer. Because Strider is not only good player, he is the best player because no one can show such statistics as his. Moreover he has in-depth view of the game.
Stop envying, because everything returns to you. You can only take lessons from him not trying to blow his reputation.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted August 15, 2008 11:51 PM |
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Hail to the Rule Maker!
and to his puppy 
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted August 15, 2008 11:56 PM |
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i have a suggestion: counting the obscene amount of posts in such a short time (for 2-3 guys) , i was wondering if u couldn't already finish a game by 4th or 5th post. they are pretty consistent, at least for number of characters .
and if launching the game it might be a problem i have another suggestion: if u feel a terrible urge to express yourself so passionate at the first glance of potential drama threads, why not switch lines and start a CARD GAME (for those who have no clue, it's like that "i do that.. now it's your turn" then next player " i do this.. " virtual game ending up with few spell points or ballista ). will help noobs with a few hints. and if this is not enough u can easily simulate a virtual in-game CHAT , adding comments to any opponent's move : "i do that".."nah, u cheap bastard, it's not honorable"..."why? we didn't say anything about it in the start..." etc. and this way u can have all ingredients for a spiced up game. no key required. no any high performance machine for visual effects. it's all in your heads.
and if u sum it up , it will come out with a neglectible extra posts than pure drama only.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 16, 2008 12:07 AM |
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That's nice natalka flame on. You didn't read that one:
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In any case my point was that I had warned you about such situations.
You had told me yes ok blah blah I'll know from now on. Nuff said.
I stand by my original post and if you feel that contradicts me what can I say go ahead.
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted August 16, 2008 12:40 AM |
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 We are family
I got all my sisters with me
We are family
Get up ev'rybody and sing
Ev'ryone can see we're together
As we walk on by
and we fly just like birds of a feather
I won't tell no lie
(ALL ToH'ers) all of the people around us they say
Can they be that close
Just let me state for the game
We're giving love in a family dose
Living life is fun and we've just begun
To get our share of the game's delights
(HIGH!) high hopes we have for the future
And our goal's in sight
(WE!) no we don't get depressed
Here's what we call our golden rule
Have faith in you and the things you do
You won't go wrong
This is our family Jewel (Heroes of Might and Magic V )
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first of just freaking amazing to watch how some treads are growing... hmmmm
then 2'nd...
I got a "few" games in this season and I've played some against pera, elvin, Strider, and I must say in my eyes the're all honorable... (atleast in my games)
for Natalka... I only got 1 game and I guess that was one of her first ToH games... cause she manage to "ruin" the game for me by constantly asking: are'nt you finish soon and bla bla....
but what can I expect.... we all need to learn so when the game was over I was really upset... but as I says we all learn....
but one thing for sure!!! SHE is an damn good player and that she is a SHE makes it even better.... (there is'nt many good female players around in ToH... so I wish you all kind of luck Natalka...!!
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sxshopper
Known Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 09:53 AM |
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those who think hnr is dishonorable are pussies 
This sentence wins for me! hahahahaha 
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Fraudatio
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 10:40 AM |
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I am just amazed that "noone" manage to come up with constructive arguments, after Strider has post his thoughts (thats a general thing aswell), which here was quite sensible if you ask me.
Great differences in army strenght should be the one guiding rule as to HnR on any good map. Problem here was that Lets Fight has too much money available, so it didnt hurt to surrender. On e.g Genesis this at least would give me one more relic from merchant etc.
Oh, what do you say? I didnt flame anyone, so it doesn`t qualify as a post? K, I will try to submit anyway. (Edit: It actually works! Now we all can try that aswell)
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 11:31 AM |
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How is say alredy Natalka "Hit/Run make only problems". Look how many post for so short time. How many negative emotion from all.
Every one is free to play how he want. But won is not all. Its alot better to have good relations and fun games.
P.S. If you want to argue do it well. Like me vs ARROGANT-HYPOCRITE.
Kennel Brothers Ltd FTW
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 11:32 AM |
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Good job, Fiur! Though you should have posted that song couple of pages back 
I absolutely realize that I've broken my recent determination about "internet arguing", yet I'd like to write this last post in here.
1. Leaving the current case aside, I'm glad this discussion about HnR has raised its head again. After giving it a second careful thought, I'm completely convinced that:
a) there should be no HnR accusations if the map has schackles for both players and attack is performed by main hero regardless of magical/physical means;
b) mentored kamikazes must be forbidden; I wonder if naturally strong (gained levels in creeping by himself) 2nd hero can perform suicide mission
c) on maps that don't have schackles but are TIGHT with money, attacking with units instead of magic is not a HnR.
For instance, arcanes have ini 11 and attacking necro with 50 of them looks more like a possible suicide mission. Let's add some arts and perks... arcane ini goes up, same does necro troops' (assuming equal access to arts), swift mind for necro hero. So now we have costly and high risksituation of losing arcanes. If magic were used then it would be free and no risk for troops. See the difference?
Even if attacker is lucky and does some dmg before retreating, he/she has given away substantial amount of money (on scrimpy maps it means more troops for defender and less for attacker) and returned back to home letting defender to reap rewards in the middle.
Suggestion: always play maps with schackles and have no quarells about HnR Also, it shouldn't be that hard to upgrade maps that currently don't have this counter-HnR art.
2. Returning to current case... pera, so Nat offered you reload but you didn't accept?  I hope you are not putting on equal weight your dishonourable mentored kamikazes to fight vs arcanes where you had good chance to end game at once if better luck with ATB (I suggest you invest time in game mechanics to learn what swift mind really does) Also, I heard you were just screaming and had no effort to patiently explain and teach your younger colleague...
Also, perhaps you should stop assuming unfair play? I can promise you 100% that if you saw our msn log you would look really pathetic And what were those terrible accusations of cheating with d/c? Are you sure it happened or just using dirty lies?
Rule master hehe... Do you realize that if some game has happened even with the most incredible rules it means that both players accepted them? It's just so childish to criticize likings of other people! Why won't you let others do as they please, mentoring master?
3. To Nat... i'm no master to you Your head is working very fine and you have the most important quality - quick learning. In your place I'd be more careful using "master" as you would put me in embarrasing situation if I were to lose you 0-3 and that is quite possible 
What I want to achieve with this post is to see comments to my HnR understanding and suggested other possible interpretations that are many.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 12:26 PM |
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for Natalka... I only got 1 game and I guess that was one of her first ToH games... cause she manage to "ruin" the game for me by constantly asking: are'nt you finish soon and bla bla....
but what can I expect.... we all need to learn so when the game was over I was really upset... but as I says we all learn....
but one thing for sure!!! SHE is an damn good player and that she is a SHE makes it even better.... (there is'nt many good female players around in ToH... so I wish you all kind of luck Natalka...!!
That's what I meant by her growth in game conduct. I heard the same complaints from several others, then we spoke with Nat and, as I understand, you don't hear any more speed bugging from her. Also, she has learned some other stuff about appropriate behaviour and never had I experienced any arguing against these suggestions. She's learning fast and we should explain and help rather that punish with dishonorable medicine...
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 12:57 PM |
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First of all: I do not need a reload, and don't wont if it is offered after a lot of arguing. Playing cheap is easiest thing to do. As for difference, I would rather focus on something else: difference between player who wouldn't use such tactics (kamikaze and hnr with swift troops)and a player who not only would use it, but rather use it as his main weapon, intentionally and more then in one game (making it his own strategy). I wouldn't have used kamikaze if it wasn't for her hnr. All the time long I was playing, not even considering that we are playing without hnr rule. As for a swift mind, I was aiming for it, and was very unlucky not to get it, when there was only one lvl needed. But, please do enlight me, about it or and other subject I need to be enlight about. But allowing that kind of hnr to be part of a game, means that the other side will always have to go for a swift mind, reducing game options to much. As for a screaming part, that's just not true. I did try to explain that it was hnr, she didn't accept my reasoning, even mentioned that we haven't agreed on no hnr rule. And who am I to say otherwise. I don't need to ask twice, I said it is hnr, she said it's not. I don't need reload after long arguing. If it is offered, it should be offered right away and in free will, not after consulting Rule Maker. We are not some kids, to quarrel and shout, so the other side would do what is right.
As for d/c ,I mentioned it only after seeing her post. And, as far as I understand (and please enlight me if I am wrong)if it happens you played as before d/c, and that wasn't what she did. Sim turns break one turn earlier after reload, wich makes really big difference, unless I am wrong again.
And what actually really annoys me the most is this: she was using your tactics with your understanding of what a fair and honorable playing is, and your view on hnr, which you in your great wisdom and generousity decided to share with her. So, as I see it, puppy haven't even knew better, she was listening to great player with in-depth view of the game, envied by everybody else for his greatness and his statistics. So instead of your "neutral" view on a matter: I think, bla, bla, bla ... but hey that's just my opinion..., you should have said: hey it was my strategy, my understanding of hnr, and this thread woould probably be much shorter. But I guess calling me a liar and dishonourable is much easier. It mush have been hard being right all the time. And that's what make you a hypocrite.
Hail to her Rule Maker!
and his puppy
ps. for a third time: are you gonna use Natalka's strategy in Caesars?
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 16, 2008 01:12 PM |
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And, as far as I understand (and please enlight me if I am wrong)if it happens you played as before d/c, and that wasn't what she did. Sim turns break one turn earlier after reload, wich makes really big difference, unless I am wrong again.
I can confirm that she did not repeat her turn after she asked for a reload just before the final fight with me and instead went to buy artifacts. At the time I was outraged but suppose she didn't not 'know' then. There is a pattern after all, sad.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 01:16 PM |
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No, Elvin you are wrong. I am a liar, and 7-8 d/c on only one side is perfectly normal for any game
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 16, 2008 01:19 PM |
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Damn you pera!
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 01:41 PM |
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Hey Elvin, remember that game when we had dc like every 3 turns? 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 16, 2008 01:55 PM |
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OMG my honour just got compromised
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JoonasTo
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted August 16, 2008 02:03 PM |
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted August 16, 2008 02:15 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 14:16, 16 Aug 2008.
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Ninja code of honour baby!
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted August 16, 2008 02:48 PM |
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i think you meant samurai. ninja had no honor.
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TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
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posted August 16, 2008 02:52 PM |
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lol
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