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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 09:44 AM |
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asheera: i was even ready to quit and give you the win in this fight! when i saw that you regularly attacked instead of casting spell i said "whaaaat???" hehe and i saw no mana. so it is true. if dungeon losses the dragons and mana it is easy. but only with an enemy that can revive things.
elvin: you owe me the win! you put the bug in there!! 
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted September 19, 2008 01:33 PM |
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Elvin:Quote:
Why did you have attack at any rate? Can be turned against you vs necro.
Well I wanted Tactics so that my troops would reach some good positions, I had no idea the battlefield would be so... um, weird
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i was even ready to quit and give you the win in this fight
That's one of the reasons I don't quit, some unexpected things may happen
And btw, I think that at some point I could cast Empowered Armageddon and win (when you had like 3-4 stacks left), but I wasn't sure if it really would kill all your stacks, and I didn't want to risk
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 19, 2008 01:46 PM |
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Count the hp 
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 01:48 PM |
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yes but i am not sure that in duels winning with Armageddon when it kills all the army of both players is nice
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Asheera
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posted September 19, 2008 01:53 PM |
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Indeed, I don't think it's nice, but my 18 Hydras would have survived
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 01:57 PM |
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yes they would, in my opinion they are a 99% defensive creature. asheera i still have the same question. why dont you play in toh? you spend enough time in duels, forums etc. you obviously like the game, and you know how to play.
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Asheera
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posted September 19, 2008 02:20 PM |
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I spend a lot of time in forums, true, but mostly in off-topic discussions (not related to Heroes)
And yes, I like the game, but not that much as to play in ToH. I mean, some short duels are ok from time to time, but I wouldn't like (or have the time) to play many "real" games.
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adon
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posted September 19, 2008 02:52 PM |
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Quote:
Edit:
Btw I checked it and normally two frenzied units attacking each other do hit the other in retaliation.. Not sure if it's a situational bug or it was because there were also titans adjacent.
Initially I believed that that it was because both were frenzied, in a replay I've seen a frenzied unit unable to damage an ally that has been puppeted and hypothesized it was something similar. Apparently not.
I would have expected the hydra to hit everything around it when frenzied and retaliating. It doesn't make sense it wouldn't retaliate to the raiders. That's a bug in my mind.
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 03:17 PM |
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hydras have 6-headed attack which means they can hit 6 from the 12 adjacent tiles. so if THEY attacked it might have been logical. but is it possible not to hit the creature that hit them? the retaliation should start from the creature that hit you in my opinion
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radar
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posted September 19, 2008 04:32 PM |
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Just to state things clear: all units killed means draw and no point for anyone?
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 04:38 PM |
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in a normal game the hero that casts the last spell is available in the tavern for hiring, on the other hand the other hero is dead. in duels i think the hero that cast the last spell is the winner. i am not sure and i dont agree!
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 19, 2008 05:49 PM |
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In this case consider the game a draw. Initially I thought it would be better to give the win since armageddon has limited use, however if you allow it then the warlock will only need to kill half your army then then finish it with an empowered armageddon. Seems like an easy way out.
However the tournament is not just about me, if you have a different opinion let me know. There are a few issues that I'd rather not be decisive about.
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Something else so you are prepared. My current plans are to have a series of tournaments every 1 or 2 months. After a number of tournaments the finalists from previous rounds will duke it out in an epic clash  Of course that will depend on activity let's see how things go with this one first.
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adon
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posted September 19, 2008 05:52 PM |
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hydras have 6-headed attack which means they can hit 6 from the 12 adjacent tiles. so if THEY attacked it might have been logical. but is it possible not to hit the creature that hit them? the retaliation should start from the creature that hit you in my opinion
I think the game is made so that a unit can hit one side or the other in a single attack, but not both.
WHen the hydra was frenzied, it got hit by dungeon but if it retaliated it would hit dungeon and academy units. The default hit went against academy, even though a dungeon unit hit it.
The code should be logically that the hydra when frenzied is too angry to care what/who it hits, and a retaliation should hit any unit in its radius of attack, regardless of which "side" its on.
Just retaliating against the Titans and not the unit that attacked it to begin with was a flaw/bug that needs remedying, in my opinion!
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Asheera
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Elite Assassin
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posted September 19, 2008 05:53 PM |
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Nice idea Elvin
btw (something else, not about this tournament) how about some "team work" with more than 2 players active in a duel? Or is it a silly idea? (hmm now that I think of it, it will be pretty hard for all players to be "active" at the same time - because I see we have some small "problems" even with two)
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 06:02 PM |
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how would this happen? how can 4 players play 1 duel?
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Asheera
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posted September 19, 2008 06:06 PM |
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Hero A fights Hero B and Hero C fights Hero D. The winners fight with their remaining armies and we have a winning team (in this case A is allied with C and B with D). Well, the final battle won't be fun if there's gonna be a "slaughter" in one of the battles though
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Vangelis21
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posted September 19, 2008 06:13 PM |
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too much work for nothing i think! allied normal games are fun. but here is too much!
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 19, 2008 06:14 PM |
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LOL I get the idea but it's kinda unrealistic to have a 4 people game, both because it takes more time after sim turns break and because it's harder for those to be online at the same time. Also there's the matter of skill picking that gets complicated and the fact that some can preserve army by raising while others cannot.
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Asheera
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posted September 19, 2008 06:15 PM |
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It's not that much work, actually no work at all, except organizing of course. You don't really have to be "allied", just don't attack your "friend"
But I agree it's not such a good idea...
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Elvin
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Endless Revival
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posted September 19, 2008 06:22 PM |
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That's a thing to try for the heck of it on friendly level, not official. Could be fun after all.
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