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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: who do you think would be last standing?
Thread: who do you think would be last standing? This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT»
conn
conn


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God slayer
posted December 07, 2001 03:42 PM


It depends on many things( as everybody said): spells, abilities,... But I also think it also depends on how the troops are arranged on the battlefield:if you have 2 shooters next to eachother... then most of the 7th level creatures can travel the battlefield in one turn so it you are out of ranged shooters(except for tower) my guess would be tower or dungeon... it also depends on the strategies employed by the two oponents

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conn
conn


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God slayer
posted December 07, 2001 03:46 PM


sorry bat(i hope you don't mind if i call you that) about the avatar. I saw that i used yours just now and i'm changing it right now. It's the third one since i don't know if they are taken when i choose the avatar.

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Batvanio
Batvanio


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posted December 07, 2001 04:23 PM

x#x%

Don't mind if you use mine avatar Conn.
I could always change. Besides "bat" is an animal,
but in my Name in my language the prefix "bat" means
"elder". It is abreviation of "an elder brother".
So I won't offend calling me "bat". But you must know what it means.

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StormWarning
StormWarning


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Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted December 07, 2001 10:32 PM

More results

I'm doing the 0-0-0-0 stats because the whole idea was to test the armies without any boosts from heroes, so . I don't negate morale or luck because that takes out some creatures' specialties, and instead of packing the Orb of Inhibition I just make it so neither hero has a spellbook (that way creatures can still cast spells).

Match 3: Castle vs. Inferno
Castle wins 5-0
This one wasn't particularly close, although it certainly wasn't the most lopsided battle so far. All told, 80,935 hp of Castle troops survived the 5 battles.

Match 4: Castle vs. Necropolis
Castle wins 5-0
Again, not very close (the closest was when the Ghost Dragons aged the AAs on the first strike). Castle had 102,610 surviving hp.

Match 5: Castle vs. Dungeon
Castle wins 4-1
This was closer than it looks. One of Castle's wins left only 6 Zealots standing! Castle had 58,000 surviving hp, whereas in Dungeon's win 24,438 hp were left standing.

Match 6: Castle vs. Stronghold
Castle wins 5-0
Not close at all - 3 times all 600 Marksmen survived and 4 times all 200 Zealots lived! Castle's army had a grand total of 110,605 hp survivng the battles.

Match 7: Castle vs. Fortress
Castle wins 4-1
Never underestimate Mighty Moos or Chaos Hydras' ability to strike 3 opponents with no retaliation. Both were key in the one fight Fortress won, and had the Gorgons ever reached the AAs this could have been 3-2. Castle had 85,905 hp remaining in its four wins, but Fortress's win left only 14 Chaos Hydras (a total of 3500 hp) standing.

Match 8: Castle vs. Conflux
Castle wins 5-0
Conflux needs the extra Phoenixes. Badly. Castle had a whopping 160,925 hp left after the 5 battles, suggesting that Conflux may be the weakest.

Total Castle results:
Fights: 35-5
Matches: 7-0-1 (Tower counts as a tie since Castle won more fights but had fewer survivng hp)
HP difference: +612,114

I think we have a winner here.
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The_Gootch
The_Gootch


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posted December 10, 2001 02:52 PM

Heh, I love to be proven right.  Where's Preserver or Lith-Maethor?  I want'em to read this thread and see where their precious Rampart is!

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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


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local pirate
posted December 10, 2001 04:16 PM

my results were pretty much the same ...

but here's something else ... who would win if all troops are NOT upgraded?

my guesses:
- tower would not be as good ...
- dungeon would be more effective
- fortress still strong
- necro still strong
- conflux doesn't lose too much power

overall, I think tower would hurt the most (without upgraded troops)
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Darion
Darion


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Famous Hero
posted December 11, 2001 02:09 AM

Don't care if it's right... what I care about is that in EQUAL situations (that is... same no. of hp and stuff) I will take control of rampart and kickie your little buttie! First you will try to cast beserk on my dendroids but it won't work because I have expert resistance + Thorgrim's specialty. Next...

Castle sux....hehehe, flame me! W/O your archangels you are toast. Hmm... which brings up the point, how would rampart fare if it had no 7th level vs. Castle no 7th level?
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


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local pirate
posted December 11, 2001 10:40 AM

in all practicality, I believe castle would still win.

unit comparison:
centaur captains vs halbs = almost equal
battle dwarves vs. marksmen = tough one, but I believe marksmen
grand elves vs. royal griffins = griffins
s.pegasi vs. crusader = crusader
dendroid vs. zealot = zealot
war unicorns vs. champions = champions unless 'corns get lucky w/ blinding.
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wiggy_wam
wiggy_wam


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Famous Hero
local pirate
posted December 11, 2001 10:50 AM

ok, tested such 3 times:

castle won 3, lost 0

all three times were not close matches, even when unicorns blinded 3 units and got morale.

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wizz
wizz

Tavern Dweller
posted December 11, 2001 03:52 PM

it would be much more fair if you took like 10 weeks of creatureproduction from a fully buildt castle (including grail) I still think that the castle and the tower would come out on top but the conflux would certanly be much stronger (as in real gameplay)

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Tristan
Tristan


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illegally insane
posted December 11, 2001 05:07 PM

I too think it would be more fair to take a set amount of weeks production to find out what towns are best, but there is more to it than that, so while this may show which towns are "best" in some ways, actually playing them can be quite different.

For one thing, most TOH maps come with level 1 and 2 dwellings built in main towns, so Stronghold and Fortress can build high level units on the first turn if they want. (SH level 5, Roc; Fort level 6 Wyv)  For that matter, if you have the gold you can build your level 7 on day 2 with Stronghold.  (I never have, but you could)  I don't really know what other towns this may apply to, but Castle I am pretty sure it would be at least day 3 before you could build 5 or 6.

In some ways, the town that works best for you, may just be because of your style of play, or even maybe the maps you play.

I personally like to play random towns to see if I am right in thinking I can lose with any of them

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StormWarning
StormWarning


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Archmage of Thunder
posted December 11, 2001 10:31 PM

More results

This hasn't been my top priority, so don't be surprised if I'm adding results for a long time to come.

Match 9: Rampart vs. Tower
Tower wins 4-1
Tower had 57,790 survivng hp (including 73 Titans!), Rampart 18,180.

Match 10: Rampart vs. Inferno
Split decision: Rampart wins 3-2, but Inferno has more survivng hp, 22,115 to 21,340.

Match 11: Rampart vs. Necropolis
Necropolis wins 5-0! (thanks in part to immunity to Blind and the fact that VLs just won't die) 84,600 hp survived.

Match 12: Rampart vs. Dungeon
Dungeon wins 4-1, with 46,278 survivng hp compared to Rampart's 7,580.

Updated standings:
1. Castle: 35-5 fights, 7-0-1 matches, +612,114 hp
2. Tower: 6-4, 1-0-1, +49,718
3. Dungeon: 5-5, 1-1, +5,136
4. Necropolis: 5-5, 1-1, +3,665
5. Inferno: 2-8, 0-1-1, -80,160
6. Rampart: 6-19, 0-4-1, -214,863 (to be fair, they haven't faced the comparatively easy neutrals yet, so this is probably lower than their actual record will be)
7. Fortress: 1-4, 0-1, -82,405
8. Stronghold: 0-5, 0-1, -110,605
9. Conflux: 0-5, 0-1, -160,925
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The_Gootch
The_Gootch


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posted December 12, 2001 05:19 PM

Stormwarning, here's a suggestion.  Double up the Phoenixes for Conflux and see how they do.  I still believe that they won't even break .500.

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sos
sos


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posted December 12, 2001 07:51 PM

all this doesnt mean anything :)

Having some time while zone was down I did some tests between Castle, Inferno, and Fortress. Now Castle won all battles with Inferno and about half with Fortress, while Fortress won most agains Inferno. But seeing how the battles went I can safely say that this doesnt prove that Castle is the strongest, it just mean that its easiest to win with Castle (in other words it requires the least skills to win with Castle). Some examples: AA always atack Familiars in the first move, Pit lords can hit AA, but no - they go forward without hitting anything, but enough to be within the full range of marksmen and zealots and hit by crusaders, MG stay next to AA and Halberdiers and go for Halberdiers, CH is adjacent to 3 units and a forth goes to hit it just so all 4 of them suffer the retaliation. I can go on and on ...
I had no trouble beating any town with any other town against the AI. In most cases with Inferno I never lost a single AD! But I had no problems with Castle beating me with Inferno also lol

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StormWarning
StormWarning


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Famous Hero
Archmage of Thunder
posted December 12, 2001 10:02 PM

I'll try that later

...if I ever get around to finishing these as-is.
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sorcerorkyle
sorcerorkyle


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Sauron
posted December 17, 2001 04:01 PM

nice

this post has done nicely. Thanks

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Hexa
Hexa


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Legendary Hero
posted December 17, 2001 04:12 PM
Edited By: Hexa on 17 Dec 2001

nah I still don't believe it .. conflux should be in the top four .... !@
You can't compare towns this way .... its way to theoretical ... towns should be compared as used in the actual game (with magic and not just the might factor)

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StormWarning
StormWarning


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Archmage of Thunder
posted December 17, 2001 10:18 PM

Yeah, we know

But it's still fun to see which town has the strongest troops (not the most troops or the best magic, just given an equal number, who can kick the most rear end). In a lot of ways, this method is biased (it completely ignores Tower's magic, severely decreases the AB's defense reduction's worth because there's less defense to reduce, certain levels are more populated than they would be in a real game, which gives a big advantage to the towns with strengths in those levels, etc.), but it's still fun to check.
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Hexa
Hexa


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posted December 18, 2001 08:43 AM

Ok ... now you are making more sense

PS: can aI borrow some spare time form you ... seems like you've got Waaaaaaay to much of it!@


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sorcerorkyle
sorcerorkyle


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Sauron
posted December 18, 2001 03:45 PM

CAN YOU CHANGE THIS!

hey can you change the conflux to 4 per week for a total of 60 instead of the others who have 30, to make it a little more equal (conflux stills sucks thou.)

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