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Adrius
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posted October 08, 2008 12:20 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 12:26, 08 Oct 2008.
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Hmm... so hard! I can't decided wether or not to use Chimeras or Void Drakes...
EDIT: I'm changing the name of the Prism Goyle to Crystal Goyle, but their ability still has the name prism. Better/worse?
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posted October 08, 2008 04:12 PM |
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Alright here are some more of my suggestions:
For Expert Spiritualism, you’ll want to say that the ATB is reduced by 40% since that’s the total reduction instead of saying it’s reduced by another 20%. Unless you meant to say that it stays the same. But it’s uncertain from the text.
The equation for getting Spirit Energy doesn’t work very well. It’s scaled massively in favor of lower tier creature. Maybe that’s how you wanted it to be, but that would be a major balance issue (you’d get shafted when fighting Dungeon, for example) 100 peasants = 50 spirit energy, but 5 black dragons = 17 spirit energy? I’d recommend using an equation that involves the gold value of the creature or the HP. Maybe this:
Cost / 100 = Spirit Energy
So a Shadow Dragon would be: 3700gold / 100 = 37 spirit energy
5 Peasants: 100gold / 100 = 1 spirit energy
Unicorn: 700gold / 100 = 7 spirit energy
I agree that ‘Apocalypse’ is a pretty heavy word for just a tier 3 creature. It sounds more like a word for a tier 7 creature. ‘Immolater’ or something would probably work better.
“Trade Guild” just doesn’t fit with the Spiritualist town at all. It can give the same benefits, but give it a more fitting name.
For the chimera issue: if you want to make it suit better for the Spiritualist faction, you can change the kind of chimera it is. A chimera can be any combination of creatures merged together- it doesn’t have to be the tradition lion/dragon combo. So you could do a Raven/Dragon/Hyena, for example. You have the potential to make this a very scary looking monster. Also I think you could make it fit very well with the Spiritualist faction. Just say that the Chimeras were the abominable result of several spirits twisted together through experimentation, creating the dreaded Chimeras, which now roam the Void!!!
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zazu1
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posted October 08, 2008 06:32 PM |
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What? The fact that I didn't copy WoW or the fact that I found WoW boring and didn't get addicted? 
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Haha. Well, I guess both. Anyway, I think I agree with Blizzard boy. You have enough purple void creatures. I think it would be cool and creative if you could incorporate the chimera in your castle. And like Blizzard boy said, it doesn't have to have a lion's head and a goat's head or whatever, you can mix it up and make it dark and mysterious. Maybe I'm just saying this because I'm a fan of the chimera, or cus I would rather see a chimera than yet another dragon. I think the Void Drake could be a cool high level neutral. Oh, yea and If you want to see WoW's Void Drake, you can google netherdrakes 
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MattII
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posted October 08, 2008 08:13 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 20:20, 08 Oct 2008.
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Hmm... so hard! I can't decided wether or not to use Chimeras or Void Drakes...
Use Chimeras, we already have too many dragons.
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EDIT: I'm changing the name of the Prism Goyle to Crystal Goyle, but their ability still has the name prism. Better/worse?
Good name for an ability (thought the ability itself seems like a non-sequitur, why not just return the beam to the Mages?), but I'm still cringing a little at the 'Goyle', it really ought to be Gargoyle.
And that's a good point zazu1, you could use a leopard/horse head combo or a tiger/bull, or possibly even a wolf/goat or bear/elk if you liked (who says one head has to be a cat?).
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Adrius
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posted October 08, 2008 09:05 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 21:21, 08 Oct 2008.
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The equation for getting Spirit Energy doesn’t work very well. It’s scaled massively in favor of lower tier creature. Maybe that’s how you wanted it to be, but that would be a major balance issue (you’d get shafted when fighting Dungeon, for example) 100 peasants = 50 spirit energy, but 5 black dragons = 17 spirit energy? I’d recommend using an equation that involves the gold value of the creature or the HP. Maybe this:
Cost / 100 = Spirit Energy
So a Shadow Dragon would be: 3700gold / 100 = 37 spirit energy
5 Peasants: 100gold / 100 = 1 spirit energy
Unicorn: 700gold / 100 = 7 spirit energy
When creating the Spiritualism skill, I thought that all souls are equal and that's why I only made it /2... but this idea is better actually, I'll add it.Quote:
I agree that ‘Apocalypse’ is a pretty heavy word for just a tier 3 creature. It sounds more like a word for a tier 7 creature. ‘Immolater’ or something would probably work better.
"Immolator" is an awesome name, fits well with the ability. (Though I can't stop thinking of the Sisters of Battle vehicle)
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“Trade Guild” just doesn’t fit with the Spiritualist town at all. It can give the same benefits, but give it a more fitting name.
Hmm... yeah, I wasn't very creative there... Maybe like, Shadow Artificer or something?
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So you could do a Raven/Dragon/Hyena, for example. You have the potential to make this a very scary looking monster. Also I think you could make it fit very well with the Spiritualist faction. Just say that the Chimeras were the abominable result of several spirits twisted together through experimentation, creating the dreaded Chimeras, which now roam the Void!!!
Awesome idea, god, I have much to do... your support is invaluable!  
EDIT: Actually, you had forgotten something Blizzardboy (and I had too), the calculation for spirit energy is (Creature stack size * Tier level) /2. Not just stacksize /2. Your idea is still better though.
EDIT2: Thanks GL!
EDIT3: Changed the Apocalypse's name to Immolator and changed the way Spirit Energy works according to Blizzardboy's proposal. Very much to do right now... I'll get back to the Chimeras later.
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Shares
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posted October 08, 2008 09:58 PM |
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Edited by Shares at 22:01, 08 Oct 2008.
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At a moment there I thought Shares had gone senile (Same avatar lol)
Thank you very much
So did I lol! I couldn't remember me writing that! Anyway I think chimera is better than void drake, enough of dragons already, what about a Baku (dream devouring creature)? I know not very good. I might think of a better and more known creature.
EDIT: Alan, flying deformed spirit
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posted October 08, 2008 10:00 PM |
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I'm open to suggestions, but the Chimeras seem appreciated, so I'll probably keep them.
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Shares
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posted October 08, 2008 10:20 PM |
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Oh, thought of a funny one, the Al-mi'raj. A usually yellow rabbit with a dsingle horn, turkish I think. I've acually stuidied some mythology, mostly Europe, but also some Japanese and Egyptian, of course, and the Chimera I think is the most changeable creature I've "seen". The only thing in common between all the Chimeras is that they are combined animals with different heads from the animals. So yeah it fits, it fits everywhere.
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posted October 09, 2008 01:45 AM |
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Oh, thought of a funny one, the Al-mi'raj. A usually yellow rabbit with a dsingle horn, turkish I think. I've acually stuidied some mythology, mostly Europe, but also some Japanese and Egyptian, of course, and the Chimera I think is the most changeable creature I've "seen". The only thing in common between all the Chimeras is that they are combined animals with different heads from the animals. So yeah it fits, it fits everywhere.
haha. Oh yes. I'm sure that next to the hordes of gray skinned, soulless humanoids, dark lightning shooting cannons, black winged evil spirits, and all the other lovely stuff, that a yellow bunny would go along just great Watch out for it, it's not an ordinary rabbit!
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MattII
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posted October 09, 2008 02:03 AM |
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How bad is it in comparison to the 'Rabbit of Caerbannog' (see Monty Python and the Holy Grail).
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Adrius
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posted October 09, 2008 09:23 AM |
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Yeah, because Monthy Python is like, the essence of SIRIOUSness...
Whoops, shouldn't spam my own thread...
I'd appreciate suggestions on Chimera types, it would be cool if all the versions had some difference in the head types.
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posted October 09, 2008 10:08 AM |
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In this case I'd suggest an all (or mostly) black colour scheme, starting with a black leopard/Jaguar head, something snake-like for the dragon (swap the normal snake tail in for a dragon one in exchange). I'm not sure about the third head, but a goat ought to work if you can find a shiny-coat species.
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posted October 09, 2008 11:04 AM |
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Edited by Adrius at 11:08, 09 Oct 2008.
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Sounds nice, in which order would the heads be placed? I think this is rather important to the appearance.
From left to right: Serpent, Goat (or bull), Leopard/Jaguar.
I placed the goat/bull in the middle because the horns would look a bit weird otherwise.
Any other suggestions? I could change the serpents head to a dragon's in one of the upgrades and give it firebreath
The other upgrade could have a big hyena's head, hyenas are cool...
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posted October 09, 2008 12:01 PM |
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One classical definition of Chimera had just the lion and the goat on the front, but its tail was a snake (so three heads overall), the other classical definition has the three heads on the front and a dragon's tail.
With but a little effort we could mix this up, giving us a three-headed base (leopard/jaguar, goat and serpent), a fire-breathing upgrade, and snake-tailed upgrade (replace the serpent head with something a bit more draconic).
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Adrius
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posted October 09, 2008 12:10 PM |
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Hmm... should the firebreathing model be with the snake tailed one? Since the snake tailed upgrade has a draconic head...
Also, I think the draconic one's heads should all breathe fire, and not just the dragonhead (since it will look kinda weird when attacking otherwise)
The other upgrade then... the draconic one already has a snake tail... how should the other one look like? Maybe just replace the serpent head with a hyena's?
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posted October 09, 2008 07:05 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 19:18, 09 Oct 2008.
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Ok... I made a couple of new Chimeras:
Tier 5: Chimera
Appearance: A large beasts with 3 heads, a serpent, a bull with large horns and a black jaguar’s head. It stands on two legs and has a dragon’s tail. It holds its right hand to the ground for balance. Its skin is in dark blue to black.
Description: Spirit Mages are quite imaginative, and constantly seek new ways to use their magic. One of their greatest creations is the Chimeras, horrifying creatures created by fusing the spirits of different creatures. These monsters now roam freely in the dark plains of the Void, but are called to battle whenever needed.
Abilities: Large Creature, Three Headed Attack
Tactics: Finally! A tanky unit! Chimeras are just brute force, send them at the enemy and let them do their thing.
Tier 5 Upgrade 1: Draconic Chimera
Appearance: The serpent’s head has been replaced with a Dragon’s head, all heads breathe fire and its long, snake tail has a red tone.
Description: Draconic Chimeras were actually not created by Spirit Mages; it’s a natural evolution of the normal Chimera that has been formed after thousand of years. Their black flame soars through enemy ranks, devouring everything unfortunate enough to stand in its way.
Abilities: Large Creature, Three Headed Attack, Corrupted Flame (The Draconic Chimera releases a black flame from its 3 mouths. Works like Fire Breath, but only makes 50% damage to the creatures behind the targeted enemy)
Tactics: An improved Chimera with a Fire Breath like attack, just try to burn as many as possible.
Tier 5 Upgrade 2: Horror Chimera
Appearance: The bull’s head is replaced with a large hyena’s head, dark purple smoke oozes from its mouths as it breathes heavily. Its skin is jet black with grey details.
Description: A dark experiment created the Horror Chimeras, an experiment that took the lives of all the Spirit Mages involved. It took the assigned Soul Seeker squad 3 days to hunt down and tame the beast, but the effort was worth it. The Dark Apostles ordered the creation of more of these magnificent creatures, and soon they roamed the lands freely, awaiting their masters’ command.
Abilities: Large Creature, Three Headed Attack, Hunt the Weak (This creature’s attack does 130% damage to creatures that doesn’t retaliate.)
Tactics: Even more melee awesomeness, tanky and evil. Let your other creature drain the enemy’s retaliation, then let these guys chew on them for a while.
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Shares
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posted October 09, 2008 07:08 PM |
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How bad is it in comparison to the 'Rabbit of Caerbannog' (see Monty Python and the Holy Grail).
It's just a yellow rabbit with a big unicorn like horn, no superpowers. Not that I know of at least.
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Adrius
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posted October 09, 2008 07:10 PM |
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Enough about the rabbits! 
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Shares
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posted October 09, 2008 07:13 PM |
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Can't the chimera have a rabbits head?
And BTW he asked so I answered, and yes, no more rabbits from now on.
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Adrius
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posted October 09, 2008 07:15 PM |
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I'll add the rabbit as Inferno's hidden grail creature in my upcoming super-expansion for H5...
Now, any comments on my new Chimeras?
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