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Moonlith
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posted October 11, 2008 01:38 AM
Edited by Moonlith at 01:38, 11 Oct 2008.

9/11 Coinsidence Theory

9/11 Coinsidence Theory

"One of the best 9/11 conspiracy videos. Spencer Morgan does an excellent job presenting the evidence like a prosecuting attorney in the court room clearly demonstrating how the official 9/11 government report is an implausible cover-up. -GAV Editor"

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This is a comprehensive introduction to the body of information and evidence refuting the official narrative of the events of September 11, 2001. This presentation covers the building collapses and various "official explanations" and revisions, the air defenses, the history and nature of Al Qaeda and the individuals who had manifest and stated motive to carry out the attacks.

If you are completely new to 9/11 "alternative theories" or just curious about why so many people question the official account, this is a good place to start. This presentation is not sexy or flashy but the information is meticulously presented and cited in detail.


Regardless what you believe, I recommend this for everyone to watch. I must stress no one should dismiss this video as "just another conspiracy nonsense video".
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JollyJoker
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posted October 11, 2008 09:21 AM

I'm copying the answer from the Economics here and add something:

OF COURSE people will cover up something and that's their arses. People simply want to know in such a case of obvious failure for what the plethora of secret services is getting their money - after all that's what they are there for. As I said, I think it's likely that some people got warnings and underestimated things, maybe even with the intention to let something more harmless just happen, for people to get more frightened.
However, if you are a boxer and intend to hit the floor in a fight to get the bets right or something, you don't want to go down with your balls smashed. Which is what happened. 9/11 wasn't a jab, it was a full hit into the underbelly that did LOTS of incalculable harm.

They could have had it much easier with a couple of poison gas attacks on some subway stations, pointing with their fingers to the poison gas history if Iraq, if their was a reasonable plan.

No, the whole idea of terrorists hijacking multiple planes in a coordinated attack on the WTC is just far-fetched. I can believe that people may have dismissed warnings as ridiculous or maybe even saying, well, let those terrorists take action, it will give us something to act upon, severely underestimating the actual dangers. But conspiracy to destroy the WTC with a double plane crash? Nah.

By the way, since this is a gaming forum: does anyone remember Civilization II/Test of Time? It was pre-9/11, and guess what kind of government and units there were in: right, fundamentalism and fanatics, and everyone who played it will know exactly how you'd use fanatics. Of course, when Civ III hit the market (post-9/11) there was no trace left of either fundamentalism or fanatics which is actually rather ironic, since history had just confirmed their vision...

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posted October 11, 2008 09:41 AM

After all these years, I still find it funny how some people actually think this was a "FOAR ALLAH! FOR ZE VERGINS!!!" terrorist attack.

And I also find peculiar the fact that every single jew working in WTC took the day off on 9/11.
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posted October 11, 2008 10:55 AM

Mike Ruppert talked about that, actually. He stated it was not a complot by the jews, but rather the Israeli government, who WARNED the usa of attacks planned by Osama Bin Lade, was at least ethical enough to get their own people out of there. That's what Ruppert said.

@JollyJoker: Just watch the clip before spamming your own story. This video solemly deals with facts and evidence, not speculate about how it happened and why (although it does show a list of people who have a motive).


Also, I had to smack myself in the forehead yesterday when I suddenly realized a little minor "irrelevant" fact that has been completely neglected so far in pretty much any discussion regarding motivation: wasn't it so Saddam had been considering to deal his oil in Euro currency rather than the Dollar?
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Mytical
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posted October 11, 2008 12:16 PM
Edited by Mytical at 12:17, 11 Oct 2008.

Please keep the racial comments in check.

Now, that being said.  9/11 was a tragedy, it was a horrible thing.  A lot of people died, more were injured, and it left a scar that lasted awhile.  I am not talking a physical one either.

Now what I am about to say will be unpopular, but I have to say it.  As bad as 9/11 was, it was not as bad as somethings that have been done.  I almost got sick when I heard people compairing it to the likes of Pearl Harbor, or Hiroshima.

I laughed when they compaired it to 'the shot heard around the world', and I near cried when they started to mention the word genecide.

Again, now that all being said I've only had one major problem with the whole set up is this.  The plane was headed straight for a building..and the passengers just let it?  I understand being fearful of their lives...don't get me wrong.  However, I for one would think.  "Hmm we all jump them, a few might die, but many more will live.  We don't we all die, and others besides us." not a hard choice to make...

Was there a conspiricy?  I don't know.  I don't THINK there was, but it does make me wonder.
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posted October 11, 2008 12:56 PM

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The plane was headed straight for a building..and the passengers just let it?  I understand being fearful of their lives...don't get me wrong.  However, I for one would think.  "Hmm we all jump them, a few might die, but many more will live.  We don't we all die, and others besides us." not a hard choice to make...


I don't think the passengers knew where they were headed. Maybe they thought they'd be ransomed back or something. That's issue 1.

Collective thinking such as that is impossible when there are people who are pointing a gun at you and making it impossible for you to talk to anyone. That's issue 2.

No one would ever attack the terrorists first. Those who would, would get shot first, discouraging everyone else. That's the point of fear, or terror. That's why they're called terrorists. People tend to behave like cattle in such situations. That's issue 3.

And issue 4... If the pilots are dead, who'd drive the plane?
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Mytical
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posted October 11, 2008 12:58 PM

From what I understand though, there were no guns.  Getting a gun on a plane even before 9/11 was no small feat.  From what I understand it was knives.  And small ones at that.
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Doomforge
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posted October 11, 2008 02:22 PM

US did it before, with their first flight on Moon, which was entirely fabricated. Why not again?

I don't know about the towers, but the "attack" on pentagon looked.. well.. weird. Check the conspiracy theories around the net for detailed analysis of what it was and how it SHOULD look like if a plane crashed into that building.

As for the Jews not coming to work that day.. This one is an urban legend. Stick to the facts, guys. I don't like the "all-conspiracy" paranoia, but I'm pretty certain those weren't just bearded guys in turbans.

Too much Deus Ex, maybe? ;P

Nah. I'm studying logistics and we have advanced mechanics. I know a bit about latticeworks too. All I can say is that those buildings acted in a very weird way, not mentioning other stuff.

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posted October 11, 2008 03:53 PM

IMHO the only conspiracy was Islamic extremists conspiring to commit terrorist action. Conspiracy theory that Jews or US government or little green men were responsible seem to be totally off base to me. It is Islamic extremism that world has to fight.

The below site discuss aspects of different 9/11 conspiracy ideas.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

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Doomforge
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posted October 11, 2008 04:04 PM

There were people who absolutely refused to believe that the US government lied about the race into space. But they did. It's a fact

Don't believe everything propaganda tells you. Never believe what TV tells you It may be a good start, but you should do some research of your own before deciding.

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Moonlith
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posted October 11, 2008 05:43 PM

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IMHO the only conspiracy was Islamic extremists conspiring to commit terrorist action. Conspiracy theory that Jews or US government or little green men were responsible seem to be totally off base to me. It is Islamic extremism that world has to fight.

You couldn't have said anything else that would have better proven for a fact you haven't bothered watching this documentary posted in the first post. I would suggest you do so before debunking crap like "green men", as it is completely irrelevant in this topic, simply because the video I posted does not deal with that.

If anything it shows you apply your own stereotype image of "conspiracy theory video" onto this one, and judge it based on that, without watching it.
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posted October 11, 2008 10:42 PM

There is not a reason to be angry with me. I watched the rather long video. I disagree with the conclusions. IMHO Bush did not coordinate the terrorist attacks as video concludes. I find that conclusion to just attack on leader who have different political view point than the author of video. Perhaps it would be interesting to know political philosophy of video maker.

You might recall that radical Islamic terrorist have goal to destory Israel and US. So no need for elaborate conspiracy to explain 9/11.

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posted October 11, 2008 10:52 PM

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There were people who absolutely refused to believe that the US government lied about the race into space. But they did. It's a fact



Dude, if the soviets agreed in their time and the russians still do that the USA did it then who are you to complain.

They've got radar readings or something like that from it. THE RUSSIANS have those!
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posted October 12, 2008 10:55 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 10:56, 12 Oct 2008.

Check the photos.

1. tracks of moon vehicles that they used - impossible to achieve those on type the of soil that is there
2. Shadows that are way longer than they should be whether they were caused by the ship's lights or the sun
3. Numbers on rock marking it as a movie prop. FAIL.
4. Strange reflections on one of the astronauts' helmet.
5. one of the crosses (you know, the ones that appear on camera view, hard for me to explain) goes BEHIND an obstacle and is partially hidden behind it. That is RIDICULOUS. They did a really crappy scenery ;p


There are MANY things like those. Check sites with the photos and detailed analysis.

Photos from the first flight were entirely fabricated, sorry.

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Mytical
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posted October 12, 2008 10:57 AM

Doomforge, watch Mythbusters on the Moon Landing.  It will be enlightening.
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posted October 12, 2008 10:58 AM

And now we talk about the definition of the word "fact"...

I heard it is fact George W. Bush was never president of the USA. It had to be a fake. Who would have elected this guy in real life anyway?


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Doomforge
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posted October 12, 2008 10:59 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 11:06, 12 Oct 2008.

go google translate the
http://www.paranormalne.pl/lofiversion/index.php?t241.html

and NEVER EVER say again that those photos make ANY sense.

If you wish I can translate it and put it here so you can all see that I'm not into conspiracy paranoia.

Perhaps they landed on moon, but what we got as proof is fake.




Or perhaps you are too blind to notice that flags shouldn't flutter on moon (no wind?)

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Mytical
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posted October 12, 2008 11:11 AM
Edited by Mytical at 11:12, 12 Oct 2008.

http://dsc.discovery.com/search/results.html?query=Mythbusters+Moon+Hoax

Try it.  Might have to watch a few videos to find what you need though.  Still start a 'moon landing is a hoax' thread.  This is about 9/11

Now I am not dismissing anything.  The moon landing could be a hoax, area 51 COULD exsist, 9/11 might have been the American Government.  However, I need proof, and hard hard evidence.  Like a confession from Neil Armstrong (for the moon thing).

Oh yes, and the flag thing was explained also.
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posted October 12, 2008 11:15 AM
Edited by Doomforge at 11:17, 12 Oct 2008.

The photos and videos are fabricated for 100%. You don't have to know physics or anything, just watch them and see. Those are official NASA materials.

As for the flight itself.. Who knows. Maybe it occurred, but we have no proof from Americans (aside fabricated photos/videos).


btw Mytical. I don't see any video there : ( Just the commercial.

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Mytical
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posted October 12, 2008 11:25 AM

Its to the right side, takes a bit for it to load.  Several of them.  However, I watched the original show. From what they showed, the photos were VERY possible.  They put a flag in a vacuum area, and when they turned it, it fluttered for some time.  Suprisingly when there was no vacuum it didn't.

The shadow thing was proven possible (one shadow went one way, three others went another)..even the distinct footprint (which was one of the most reliable as a reason for it to be a hoax) was managed in a vacuum.  Now I am not saying that the photos were not a hoax. After all, the Mythbusters did prove everything ON EARTH (ie using special effects)..but it was pretty convincing.

They had to be in a vacuum sealed area (ie zero gravity) to accomplish the walk that the astronaughts did.  Of course..that is not to say that those astronaughts were not IN a zero gravity chamber.

The only thing is, since the time of the moon landing things have come a LONG way.  Was the technology there to pull off such a hoax with special effects?  That is the question.
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