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posted October 12, 2008 03:12 PM |
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Books? 
Isn't the Bible a book too?
I'm just saying that those that don't want to follow the Bible "blindly" should also consider this for all other books as well
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posted October 12, 2008 03:27 PM |
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That's why I said "books", not "book". 
You always need to look at a situation from all the possible angles and as many sources you can find. But that can work for books, not for television - because most of the news channels (except, I suppose, Al Jazeera ) are held by the balls by the Western governments, making it proportionally harder to avoid propaganda.
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posted October 12, 2008 03:57 PM |
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This is another ridiculous theory. I mean, if there had only been Apollo 11, ok.
Have you any idea how many people did actually work for the NASA then and what kind of resources they got? There were 400.000 men working in the space program. FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND!
Look at the facts:
Apollo 4 and 6 missions tested the Saturn V an the Apollo spaceship; note that the Saturn V is actually 3 rockets in one.
Anyway Apollo 5 tested the landing shuttle, unmanned.
Apollo 7 was a manned test of the ship in Earth orbit
Apollo 8 was the first manned flight to the moon!
Apollo 9 testes the combination of ship and shuttle in an Earth orbit
Apollo 10 actually tested the same in MOON orbit. Manned, of course.
Apollo 11 landed on the moon.
Apollo 12-17 all landed on the moon as well, except that 13 went wrong.
Note that 11 was in July 69; 12 was 4 months later in November!
Why should they have faked this? They actually COULD do it and did it half a dozen times. At that time it was the most important thing to do it, so they put everything into it they had.
And the moon thing isn't actually so difficult because the moon has no atmosphere and a very low gravitation. The biggest problem was getting the weight down to actually reach the speed necessary to leave Earth. I mean, you need a speed of around 40000 km/h to leave Earth - the actual flight to the mon is a short hop - flying from London to Sydney takes longer.
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posted October 12, 2008 04:02 PM |
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Look at the facts:
I'm just pointing out that these "facts" could have been twisted by the media as well
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posted October 12, 2008 04:03 PM |
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JJ: but the topic concerns only the first flight. Or at least that's what I wanted to discuss when I mentioned it in 11/9 thread.
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posted October 12, 2008 04:17 PM |
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There was no need to fake the first landing, because the US were under NO time pressure whatsoever. The Russians had had some failures before and were way behind in the race to put a man on the moon. They had severe problems to leave the Earth orbit
They wouldn't have faked it SIX times. There was no need to fake it the first time.
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posted October 12, 2008 04:41 PM |
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Maybe there are aliens on the moon and they didn't want us to see that, so they faked them all.
(yes one astronaut claimed such, so it seems those "working on the program" don't necessarily agree with each other)
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posted October 12, 2008 04:51 PM |
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Sounds a bit like sarcasm, don't you think?
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posted October 12, 2008 04:59 PM |
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The world needed proof of US superiority. The cold war demanded victorious battles. Not with tanks and battleships, but with military and scientific achievements.
That's great logic. Because "the US needed to prove its superiority", therefore the lunar landing had to be fake.
I wonder, do you think the Tsar Bomba and Castle Bravo tests were also fake?
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posted October 12, 2008 05:03 PM |
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I'm just pointing out that these "facts" could have been twisted by the media as well
You are just an illustration and this is just a simulation.
Nothing is real,the only real is the fake.But if fake is real and real is not real than fake is not real.What is real? Let'ss face it,we live in Matrix.
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posted October 12, 2008 05:12 PM |
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what's with all the conspiracy threads lately oO?
A: I have facts!
B: You are controlled by the media look at my facts the totally pwns your facts!!
A: THEY DON'T!
B: DO TOO!!
lol of course you guys are way more civilized and do this on a higher level .
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posted October 12, 2008 05:17 PM |
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Sounds a bit like sarcasm, don't you think?
What the astronaut's claim?
still we analyze all the reasons and all that when we still can't explain all the "facts" (or "stuff") that prove it wrong, like the cross behind obstacles or the waving of the flag etc.
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posted October 12, 2008 05:30 PM |
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Yup, the astronaut's "claim".
You'd need a convincing motive for a swindle. A swindle, mind you, that had all ingredients working, because everything else is fact. There have been 5 more moon landings and one failed mission - which was a fake as well, of course, I mean, Apollo THIRTEEN, come on - and they had everything working, a manned flight to the moon orbiting round it, a successful test, of the shuttle, and so on AND, not to mention, the reserve mission in place: Apollo 12's launch was scheduled BEFORE the start of Apollo 11 in case something went wrong with 11.
THEY HAD EVERYTHING IN PLACE!
I would be much more inclined to believe in a fake if there had been failures up to that point. But ther was none. Everything just went fine.
And they could have afforded a failure. Not a spectacular failure, but an abortion. There was no need to fake it. None whatsoever.
So why SHOULD they have faked it?
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posted October 12, 2008 05:34 PM |
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THEY HAD EVERYTHING IN PLACE!
I would be much more inclined to believe in a fake if there had been failures up to that point. But ther was none. Everything just went fine.
Are you sure they had everything in place or is that what you heard from the media? Even if 400000 people worked on it, it doesn't mean everyone had access to any hidden details, or were authorized to utilize what they designed.
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So why SHOULD they have faked it?
The astronaut wasn't sarcastic, he was dead serious, in fact it was all over the news some time ago. Some said he's "wacked" or "high" or whatever. I never said he's speaking the truth, but even people "inside" seem to disagree with each other, so why should we accept the "official" version?
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posted October 12, 2008 05:38 PM |
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So why SHOULD they have faked it?
Maybe it's more "deep" than we think. Check this thread also, but probably you'll say it's complete of nonsense.
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posted October 12, 2008 05:48 PM |
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I'm actually old enough to have seen it myself on TV.
I repeat, they had 400.000 people working in and around the NASA then. You may not believe it, but at that time it was something the whole world was proud of. It was much more than the US doing something - the US have made no terrtorial claims in connection with the moon, mind you! -, it was something HUMANITY was proud of.
The rockets were real - satellites were shot into orbit then.
The Saturn was real, as real as the 400+ cubic inch engines of the cars in that time. It just WAS the time for it.
I suppose there have been enough people at Cape canaveral that watched the starts of the big Saturns - there have been some.
Yes, there was everything in place.
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posted October 12, 2008 05:51 PM |
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This is no joke and it was serious: I read somewhere that the humans used alien technology (from a spaceship that crashed) to be able to go to the Moon!
Conspiracies are everywhere
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posted October 12, 2008 05:56 PM |
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So why SHOULD they have faked it?
Maybe it's more "deep" than we think. Check this thread also, but probably you'll say it's complete of nonsense.
I don't see ny connection. Whether there have been cover-ups of aliens landing or crashing or not - I don't see the impact for this here. Governments LIE, if they see fit for whatever the reason. But there MUST be a reason, and faking the first landing on the moon would have been unnecessary.
In fact, I consider the theory that all those really stupid "conspiracy" theories are government sponsored to discredit the really true conspiraccy theories by drowning them in red herrings is a lot more likely than this here.
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I repeat, they had 400.000 people working in and around the NASA then. You may not believe it, but at that time it was something the whole world was proud of.
That may be a reason enough. They either wouldn't have wanted to break this moment, or reveal something else (as in the case with aliens). They were real, but what happened when you couldn't SEE them (that's why you need pictures, no?)?
How do you explain all the flaws in the pictures (cross behind obstacles) and the waving flag? Just because I can show you a purple ring, then show some pictures how it can fire missiles, doesn't mean that it is true -- even though, the ring, EXISTS.
@Ash: are you talking about this?
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posted October 12, 2008 06:29 PM |
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The world needed proof of US superiority. The cold war demanded victorious battles. Not with tanks and battleships, but with military and scientific achievements.
That's great logic. Because "the US needed to prove its superiority", therefore the lunar landing had to be fake.
I wonder, do you think the Tsar Bomba and Castle Bravo tests were also fake?
They were not, however a failure in the terms of space race would be a great hit for American pride. Say what you want, Cor. There is too little sense in the photos and videos displayed. They _are_ fake, obviously ;/
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