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xerdux
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posted May 01, 2009 04:45 PM |
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Are white, black and asian people different speices?
Most animals have different speices. Look at dogs, for instance.
Are blacks, asians and whites different speices too? Because then our only other speices are the Neanders... whom sadly are exterminated.
Sorry, if you find it offensive it was not my intention.
I said black, asian AND white!
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posted May 01, 2009 04:51 PM |
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Pit bulls and pomeranians aren't different species. They're different breeds.
Racial subgroups are also not different species.
Keep in mind that taxonomy is completely artificial. It's a way of categorizing things, completely man-made.
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posted May 01, 2009 05:12 PM |
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Edited by veco at 17:12, 01 May 2009.
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What I remembered from elemntary school is:
if an animal can't breed with another - different species
if an animal can breed with another and the next generation is born, although unable to breed - different species (e.g. horse + donkey = mule)
if one animal can breed with another animal and the next generation can also breed - it's the same specie
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posted May 01, 2009 05:36 PM |
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Sorry, if you find it offensive it was not my intention.
Yeah right... you're sad man... just sad.
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TheDeath
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posted May 01, 2009 06:14 PM |
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It's a way of categorizing things, completely man-made.
DNA is man-made? 
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posted May 01, 2009 06:45 PM |
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Xerox is FF in disguise 
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posted May 01, 2009 07:13 PM |
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IMHO someone *cough*xerox*cough* needs a good old fashioned discipline.
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posted May 01, 2009 07:21 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 19:25, 01 May 2009.
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I hate this thread. It makes my heart scream in agony.
Seriously, it does.
Anyway, if you look at dogs Xerox they are very very different. You can't exactly find an equivalent to Chihuahua vs Grand Danois in the human world can you...? There aren't that big difference between us, it's mainly just our skin colour.
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It's a way of categorizing things, completely man-made.
DNA is man-made?
No but the expression is.
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posted May 01, 2009 08:03 PM |
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There aren't that big difference between us, it's mainly just our skin colour.
Uhm no, actually, there are whole studies made on this... definitely not just a simple color measurement or features.
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DNA is man-made?
No but the expression is.
What expression? Of course, that's what language is about: defining and classifying and labeling things.
Take lightning for example. Dictionary definition:
a brilliant electric spark discharge in the atmosphere, occurring within a thundercloud, between clouds, or between a cloud and the ground.
As an example, let's take two phrases, one using the "wrong" way because, well, it uses a label.
Why is lightning such a recurring theme in movies? You know, like the lightning that was in Frankenstein for example?
but of course that's just rude. Let's use this:
Why is a brilliant electric spark discharge in the atmosphere, occurring within a thundercloud, between clouds, or between a cloud and the ground, such a recurring theme in movies? You know, like the brilliant electric spark discharge in the atmosphere, occurring within a thundercloud, between clouds, or between a cloud and the ground that was in Frankenstein for example?
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posted May 01, 2009 08:07 PM |
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@Death
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DNA is man-made?
Please point to where I said anything about DNA.
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TheDeath
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posted May 01, 2009 08:09 PM |
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You said it's a way of categorizing things. Which is man-made.
My message actually meant, in a sarcastic way, that it's just a label used for different DNA. (see my previous post)
That's not man-made any more than 'lightning' is man-made. Well the word is of course, but not the 'thing' that it labels.
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posted May 01, 2009 08:18 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 20:23, 01 May 2009.
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Alright, so I guess I'm not seeing your point.
Here's an analogy for you.
Specific DNA information : species :: wavelength : color
What is color? Is there an natural meaning to "red"? No - red, blue, yellow - color is just an artificial categorization system for photons with related energy values. You can further break "red" down into "mauve", "cherry", "dark red", "crimson", "brick red", and so on. But they're all artificial categories of red, which is just an artificial category of "color".
Red has no more natural meaning than Dog.
[please note it's not a perfect analogy so don't go nit-picking at it]
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posted May 01, 2009 08:19 PM |
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veco did say everything there is to say.
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posted May 01, 2009 08:36 PM |
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Specific DNA information : species :: wavelength : color
What is color? Is there an natural meaning to "red"? No - red, blue, yellow - color is just an artificial categorization system for photons with related energy values. You can further break "red" down into "mauve", "cherry", "dark red", "crimson", "brick red", and so on. But they're all artificial categories of red, which is just an artificial category of "color".
Red has no more natural meaning than Dog.
[please note it's not a perfect analogy so don't go nit-picking at it]
I know, but they are a label, it's the COMPOSITION of such DNA. For example look at the definition of lightning I put above -- we use a simple label to replace all that mumbo jumbo everytime.
I mean, digital data is also just 1s and 0s (which in turn are specific atoms), but that doesn't mean a digital 'picture' is more man-made than the data itself.
Someone asks you: "what's this?"
and you reply with "dog.txt"
should he reply with "no, it's not. It's 64 6F 67 2E 74 78 74" (in case you're wondering, this is the hex representation of the bits used to store the ASCII string 'dog.txt')
how does that make the former more 'man-made'?
How does referring to humans as 'humans' more man-made than "the combination of DNA that is x, y, z... whatever"? It's just a label.
Here's an example in the above one with dog.txt, of labels:
DEFINE LABELS:
d = 64
o = 6F
g = 67
. = 2E
t = 74
x = 78
So when I say 'd', I mean 64, or 01100100, or specific atoms, or whatever. The point is, it's a label, but what it represents, is not a man-made construct, it represents a REAL THING. It's not abstract like in, say, imagination.
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posted May 01, 2009 08:39 PM |
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I think we're failing to communicate; what you're talking about is not what I'm talking about.
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posted May 01, 2009 08:51 PM |
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Ok sorry, one final simple example:
"Hey, look at that asian dude!" can translate to: "Hey, look at that dude, with DNA composition falling in the range of ......." (whatever)
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"Hey, look at that bald guy!" (assuming he's naturally bald) to something similar as well, obviously different things.
Of course, the labels themselves, are man-made, as is language, but what they refer to, is something real -- a real distinction, a real difference. This is what I'm saying, and sorry cause it seems I was speaking about something else lol.
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posted May 01, 2009 10:09 PM |
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Threads like this only encourage the cries for an ID check before entering the OSM.
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xerdux
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posted May 02, 2009 01:27 AM |
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So we just have another skin pigment?
But they have other eyes and bigger mouths :S
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posted May 02, 2009 03:20 AM |
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Edited by bort at 03:24, 02 May 2009.
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It's a way of categorizing things, completely man-made.
DNA is man-made?
The living world is made up of little bags containing DNA. Each bag has different DNA. How much does that DNA have to differ before the bags are considered different species? Which single base pair tips you from dog to cat?
That's why taxonomy is an artificial construct.
Edit : And for the record, the premise of this thread is retarded wrapped in stupid wrapped in pathetic. I mean seriously, even the most racist racist who ever racisted his way through racistdom doesn't think that different ethnicities are in fact different species. It's the kind of question that you can only come up with if you have an extra chromosome or something.
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posted May 02, 2009 04:22 AM |
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now i'm not trying to defend the guy or racism (it's wrong, we all know that) but what i am doing is giving him the benefit of the doubt. he's what, 12 or 13 years old? so long as you're not stupid you can see he meant breeds and not species. no that doesn't make the question any better. yes it's still unintelligent but i really think he was just trying to ask a question that popped in his head and what better place then an online forum where you're anonymous. racism is usually fueled by hate for another person because they are different then you in some way be it race, religion, or sometimes gender and i really don't see any hate here. just a dumb question by a young kid.
i haven't really read any of his other threads or posts so i'm certainly not qualified to be a judge here but i don't see any reason to jump down his throat or insult him.
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