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posted November 25, 2008 05:20 PM |
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aww, Joonas, you twisted little man 
Btw, I know (not personally..) a guy who blew away a handicapped girl at the party. So she had this artificial hand, and she asked him to dance. He told her he won't.
And she asked why, and what's wrong with her 
So he told her, that that artificial thing looks bad and he doesn't like it.
Was it evil?
Maybe a bit rude, but why on earth did she ask.
Did she try to pity-abuse him? Expected that he won't turn her down because of pity?
That was a hard, but a good lesson for her, I guess.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:22 PM |
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You know what? I have no compassion for that guy if he were to have his hand blown up 'virtually' just to see how it is to be rejected (of course I don't WANT that to happen to him, I would just like him to maybe 'dream' about it so he knows how it is!).
No he isn't evil. He is selfish. The question is, would she dance with him if HE had the hand blown up? it's not something funny at all.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:25 PM |
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I don't say it's funny. But it's fair. Yes, Death. It is.
Why?
Because we can't really control our aesthetic sense.
If I don't like blondes, I just don't.
Why should I tell a random blonde that she is hot when I don't think he is? I don't have to tell her she's ugly to me or something like that, but when she asks why.. well, she deserves the truth. I just tell her I don't like blondes.
Why should the guy tell a white lie to her?
Because he's expected to do so?
Because lying to handicapped people is good manners?
I think that it feels really bad when people lie to you just because they pity you.
And you shouldn't force them to do so because you feel bad about yourself.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:33 PM |
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Why should the guy tell a white lie to her?
Because he's expected to do so?
Because lying to handicapped people is good manners?
Please look at the video I posted which deals with such "lies" and in fact I do not even encourage lying. Here. I am totally against lying her (I congratulate that guy who says it up front). One thing is to not want to dance with her because she looks bad (I think that already explains that he didn't love her period), another thing is to LAUGH/ENJOY such sight/moment.
Why don't you have the courage to laugh/enjoy in her face?
It's not just selfish, it's cruel. (the laughing part, not the ignoring part)
I'm really disappointed and tired of this discussion. I find it disgusting and cruel for people to laugh at others when they would cry in their situation, and when such "others" would actually HELP THEM in that situation. These are one of the kind of "bad" people I was talking about who just brag at everything they have been given and laugh others in worse situations. Funny thing is that if the situation were reversed they would be helped by them.
Generically speaking: The girl in that video was already feeling 'guilty' that she was a burden and understood that, even if she would NOT LEAVE them in that situation. Is it funny that she even feels guilty for that when you don't even feel guilty of laughing behind her back? She was prepared to lose her life because it was annoying to YOU and what do you do for her? Laugh at her walking? At least if you don't want to help her in the same way just respect her situation. (generically speaking, "you" is not necessarily you, but generic)
Why don't you have the courage to laugh in her face? It's not a question of politeness btw.
It makes me feel so freaking bad to know there are people like her in this world and they are surrounded mostly by arrogant and people who 'brag' indirectly about themselves. It's not fair. Sometimes I wonder whether her death was beneficial for HER instead of for the others she placed a burden on.
She even said "it's ok" (well not really but it's what I read from that forum it was posted) when she asked if they could leave her die and not care about her anymore. Even such a remark would make me feel like a complete sick ***hole compared to her. Because I know I wouldn't have the courage to do that. Even after they bullied/laughed at her (well not exactly those who took care of her but anyway).
In HER situation she cares more about them than her life. How is that fair when you laugh behind her back? It makes me feel disgusted.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:36 PM |
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again: I don't see anybody here who laughs at the gal from your vid, TheDeath 
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posted November 25, 2008 05:38 PM |
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No you (well not you  ) find her walking funny. The thing is that you KNOW she is handicapped and it's not like she is "acting". Sure if she was acting and this was some kind of comedy in a theater I think it would be natural to laugh since she would do it on purpose. I think everyone knows now she is not walking because of acting (well technically it was inspired from RL). There's nothing funny about that. If you think about her walking you already know it's a handicap and I can't see how that can make her walking funny.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:40 PM |
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I think you should address your posts, TheDeath (since you're clearly speaking to Joonas now) rather than using the general "you" form
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posted November 25, 2008 05:42 PM |
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OK I'm done with this, I don't think I have something more to add (except the fact that i have been broken this day for HC  please don't tell me I'm too soft)..
I wanted to post the D&D alignment discussion but I'll probably need to take a break first. Don't bully me for that.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:43 PM |
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I'm really disappointed and tired of this discussion.
Then why you keep talking about it?
And you said that a comedy when she just 'pretends' to walk like that would be funny. That's because her walking is funny. Why she walks like that, that's a different story and it's not funny. But her walking is funny. I wouldn't laugh about her (or her situation/life), I would laugh about how her walk looks like.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:47 PM |
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How many times do I have to repeat this? Suppose YOU are walking funny. Suppose someone filmed you. Suppose you look at the video that has your walking in it.
Will you laugh? Or will you remember your situation and start to cry (because of the video)?
you won't even THINK about how funny it is because your thinking SHOULD be composed of thinking about YOUR situation
If you actually took the time to think it's funny then I guess you don't really care about her since you looked at her funny walking without AUTOMATICALLY thinking about her situation (yes since you KNOW she is in that situation, you automatically also think about that -- it's like a trifle thing is DWARFED by a serious thing, so you SHOULDN'T even have time to think about the trifle thing).
seriously...
(yes I had to post this, since I have to repeat a million times to you people for some reason to get it)
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posted November 25, 2008 05:48 PM |
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Perhaps she would laugh about herself?
What would be your response if she did? 
"sorry, I'm out of arguments?"
Not everyone is touchy about himself.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:50 PM |
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Perhaps she would laugh about herself?
What would be your response if she did?
That she is emo
Otherwise if someone else does that I'd say he/she is either emo or cold-blooded.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:51 PM |
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How many times do I have to repeat this? Suppose YOU are walking funny. Suppose someone filmed you. Suppose you look at the video that has your walking in it.
Will you laugh? Or will you remember your situation and start to cry (because of the video)?
you won't even THINK about how funny it is because your thinking SHOULD be composed of thinking about YOUR situation
If everybody thought like that (I mean, don't do anything/laugh to others that you wouldn't like yourself if you were in that situation) the world would be a paradise. Everyone will be helpful to one another, no crimes, no violence, no selfish people.
But that's not how the people are.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:53 PM |
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Didn't I say the world is full of ***holes?
Especially teh internetz. HC is waaay better but I was expecting it to be even better than that
and yes of course what makes me so annoyed is that such ***holes LIKE to be helped by those if the situation was reversed. That's what turns me.
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posted November 25, 2008 05:54 PM |
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Some people hate to be helped, mind you.
A lot of people hates to feel weak and to need to rely on others.
Don't assume everybody would beg for attention or help if they were handicapped.
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posted November 25, 2008 06:08 PM |
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Some people hate to be helped, mind you.
A lot of people hates to feel weak and to need to rely on others.
That doesn't change the fact that they LIKE it when others do help them (they don't like the idea of being dependent but they do like to be helped, the concept in itself). That doesn't change the fact that they CRY or FEEL SAD because they RELY on others (or whatever!). That doesn't mean they are happy when everyone else is gone -- they hate and start to cry because of their handicap and because they can't, for example, walk. Just because they don't want to be helped by others doesn't mean they're happy.
But I am not even talking about actually helping but being WILLING to help if THEY WANT. If you are willing and they don't want, that doesn't change the fact that you are willing to do it -- and they may not be willing if the situation is reversed.
Or let's not even talk about helping. Suppose you laugh at her for walking weird. You then get the disease. People laugh at you for walking weird EXCEPT HER. How would you feel towards her? What if she voluntarily wants to help you (regardless of whether you want it or not)? What did you do before? Laughed at her 'weird' walking.
I know if you were in her place you would be joyful and say "HAHAHA now U got pwned with the disease too mate!" because the guy who laughed at you got the diseased too.
It's completely cruel to ask/see others do something to you when you wouldn't do it in their situation -- especially if you actually did something "bad" to them (like laughing) instead of just ignoring them.
(e.g: someone who laughs is worse than someone who just ignores her walking).
she didn't want to be a burden if the others wanted to leave her she was "ok" with it. In short she CARED about them MORE than they cared about her (if they left her after all, it means they didn't care much about her). And that is in HER situation which is worse than yours.
That's what she does for people who are not diseased. That's what she, as a handicapped person, cares about non-handicapped people (usually "common sense" tells us it should be the other way). She cares about them more than her life (ie. she is prepared to die if the others want to leave her because she is too much of a burden).
And you laugh at her walking knowing her situation.
I'm sorry if I just can't possibly ever accept that in my heart. I will never be able to comprehend how someone can be "ok" with that. It means you care less about her than she cares about you. And she is the one diseased.
Thank you del_diablo for considering it sad.
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posted November 25, 2008 06:22 PM |
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by the way, Death. Do you know anybody who would laugh at a handicapped person? Or are you just theorizing.
Because I know a bit of people and none of them would ever laugh at such sight. They are either goody two-shoes, responsible people who know what is rude and what is not, or cowards who would never tell anybody the truth to his face.
Even the people I consider rude wouldn't act like that.
Have you ever seen such behavior?
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posted November 25, 2008 06:32 PM |
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Sorry but I can't get one thing. Why the fact that I find her walking funny prevents me from being able to help her  ? I may willingly lend her a hand but that won't change the fact that her walking looks funny for me. And if I told her that I find it funny, while helping her walk for instance, then I am a cold-blooded bastard for that? She deserves honesty.
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posted November 25, 2008 06:33 PM |
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Sorry but I can't get one thing. Why the fact that I find her walking funny prevents me from being able to help her ? I may willingly lend her a hand but that won't change the fact that her walking looks funny for me. And if I told her that I find it funny, while helping her walk for instance, then I am a cold-blooded bastard for that? She deserves honesty.
Whats the point to tell her?If she can't change how she walks, what would that help?
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posted November 25, 2008 06:44 PM |
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And if I told her that I find it funny, while helping her walk for instance, then I am a cold-blooded bastard for that? She deserves honesty.
Like I said countless times I do not advocate lying to her. You are what you are. It doesn't change the fact that you laugh behind.
But I DO now that if you don't have the courage to laugh in her face then yes, you are a coward. Why don't you let her see how really you are? She deserves honesty like you said.
For the last time, I do NOT advocate lying to her. I hate devious people. Look at me. When I say that her weird walking is not funny it's NOT because I say that in her face -- I don't even KNOW her lol (she's dead anyway, yes in reality, I mean that movie was inspired from a real event). So no, it's NOT because I see her face to face. I don't hide anything. I'm serious when I say that I cannot laugh or find this funny IN CONTEXT, not even in my home where I am alone.
Like I said, the walking may be funny OUTSIDE context but there is no such thing here. It is in context and as such it cannot be funny to me. When I actually see someone walk like that and if I know they are good person I actually start to feel very bad and sad. No I won't laugh, I cannot do it and it has absolutely nothing to do with being 'nice'. I can't even do it in my head!
(If I knew that they don't do it for comedy of course).
It's in CONTEXT. You already KNOW why she walks like that. How can you possibly even THINK about her "weird walking" instead of automatically feeling sad, at least if you claim to not be cold-blooded or cruel? You shouldn't (if you're not) even THINK about the weird walking in such CONTEXT. Unless you have cruelty in you. And a lot of it. (because few cruelty means to also not feel happy when ***holes get pwned but I don't feel as high remorse for them so I am a "bit" cruel but that's fine I guess)
I'm so sorry for people like her because there are so many bad people out there and I think it could be even a bigger problem than the disease itself.
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