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diegis
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posted December 07, 2008 09:10 PM |
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its hours now...
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angelito
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Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
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posted December 07, 2008 11:14 PM |
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isnt this forum, suppose to be for sort things out as well? i mean besides gaming stuf etc...
As long as they respect the given rules...
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 12:54 AM |
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Honor, dishonor... it has little to do with a tigress being poked with sticks. Yes, her replay was extreme and, as some noticed here, very passionate. But putting aside the means of expression, she just retaliated tenfold to the hardest insult possible - cheating. I may not approve the way, but i surely understand her emotions considering that it is the sequel to the drama several months ago.
Initially, i was pleased to hear that Natalka and Pera have dug axes of war and ventured another game. To the overall dismay it didn't work out. Obviously, their previous discrepancies emerged at some point in annoying in-game communication. As sad as it is, it's very human. For instance, in last TOH arena tournament i played with certain someone and after one d/c i asked if it was him... in reply i received blunt name calling and semi-hysteria. I ignored it completely but the lesson was clear:
"Do not play with disliked opponent. Game is long and probability is high that some landmines might be stepped on"
I understand Pera's frustration. Yet, same as in the first occurrence, that was grievous mistake to take it out in public. I know that he must have tried to deal with it diplomatically but does this flaming thread really make the situation better Especially, that it involved accusations in cheating! That is the biggest rock possible to be targeted with - here is the reason for emotions. Lesson:
Unless TOTALLY impossible, do not bring flaming threads to forums as the reaction is many times severe than in simple problem solving chat
Again, according to my experience, i have not noticed a single sign that Natalka cheats (i had granted many reloads and she has answered likewise). If i had - i would not play her for 6+ games.
"If you pat tigress - she might even purr, if you hit tigress - she will rip off your arm" 
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perathekojot
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posted December 08, 2008 02:44 AM |
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Honor, dishonor... it has little to do with a tigress being poked with sticks. Yes, her replay was extreme and, as some noticed here, very passionate. But putting aside the means of expression, she just retaliated tenfold to the hardest insult possible - cheating. I may not approve the way, but i surely understand her emotions considering that it is the sequel to the drama several months ago.
Initially, i was pleased to hear that Natalka and Pera have dug axes of war and ventured another game. To the overall dismay it didn't work out. Obviously, their previous discrepancies emerged at some point in annoying in-game communication. As sad as it is, it's very human. For instance, in last TOH arena tournament i played with certain someone and after one d/c i asked if it was him... in reply i received blunt name calling and semi-hysteria. I ignored it completely but the lesson was clear:
"Do not play with disliked opponent. Game is long and probability is high that some landmines might be stepped on"
I understand Pera's frustration. Yet, same as in the first occurrence, that was grievous mistake to take it out in public. I know that he must have tried to deal with it diplomatically but does this flaming thread really make the situation better Especially, that it involved accusations in cheating! That is the biggest rock possible to be targeted with - here is the reason for emotions. Lesson:
Unless TOTALLY impossible, do not bring flaming threads to forums as the reaction is many times severe than in simple problem solving chat
Again, according to my experience, i have not noticed a single sign that Natalka cheats (i had granted many reloads and she has answered likewise). If i had - i would not play her for 6+ games.
"If you pat tigress - she might even purr, if you hit tigress - she will rip off your arm"
So as far as I understand your point from your last two posts: it wasn't her that was cheating, it was me spreading lies and slender. I guess your experience is enough for one person to be called or be absolved as a cheater. Other people's opinions and experience doesn't matter, right? Well, I said it, and I am saying it again: she is a cheater, she cheated first game, and a second and she have done it more than once. As for your experience with her, considering the fact that she consider you an idol, it's not really that strange after all.
On the other hand calling her a tigress after following statement: "I will **** your sister on the grave of your mother you little dirty snow" makes me think if I am maybe more passionate then I should be. I guess if, for instance: I f.... your sister/mother on your fathers grave, you stinking, hypocritical rat, you would call me a lion and send a wink. Right?
And, disregarding my means of expression, you would understand because I just retaliated tenfold to the hardest insult possible for me - calling me a liar.
Lesson: If one is consider a role model by another person, the first one isn't by any means obliged to defend and advocate his/her worshipper. Especially when it involves putting down the person better then him/herself. Also, spreading wisdom and advices, without proper knowledge and understanding of things, is highly inadvisable.
Putting aside proficiency with English language, the very essence of your posts are on the level of an average 18 year old schoolboy. So put some effort into it or shut up. Stop wasting my time.
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perathekojot
Known Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 03:14 AM |
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to Natalka:
once Persil, always Persil - hehe. This one is priceless. Ever heard of expression: once a liar always a liar? Or maybe of: analogy? I guess bad mouth and illiteracy comes in a package. Try reading a book or two. Still, I am aware that there are people who got most of their education from movies and tv commercials. I consider them a cream of society  What would a world look without them, I to scared to imagine.
Insulting people on account of way day look, while never seeing them in a first place. Was that the smartest insult you could think off? Something of "Persil category"? Well since I am only one who have seen you both (you from your pictures) trust me on this: you would give 10 years of your life to look like her, and still consider it a bargain. But, unfortunately for you, life isn't a fairy tale and these things don't happen.
Now, on some serious topics. About your curse. It's certainly isn't from my language. Never heard of it. Not even did I ever heard of someone f... someone one some other people grave. As for an expression: little dirty snow this is highly unusal and also I have never heard anyone from my country using it. So its either a common bulgarian curse, which I doubt much. If there are people from Bulgaria maybe they can answer this. My bet this is your family special curse. Maybe it was daddy telling it to mommy when got angry. Or maybe it was something you think off in that demented, little brains of your. Which ever the case: I do feel sorry about you. Cause you may not now this yet , but life has a way of dealing with your type of people. And one might call it poetic justice: filth belongs to filth, and should remain in filth. And most of the time they do. You'll understand in time.
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Nikita
Famous Hero
Meepo is underrated
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posted December 08, 2008 03:57 AM |
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Why be so hatefull over a game?regular game,its for fun and not for points,play it win or loss.Why cheat???I think u were good to tell us about cheaters.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted December 08, 2008 06:14 AM |
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damn, drama threads always grow so fast.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted December 08, 2008 08:10 AM |
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Natalka says he gets too much sex.
She probally just sexually frusterated.
Enough is enough, show Ves some proof & lets band this Bavmorda!!!
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Lexxan
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
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posted December 08, 2008 09:32 AM |
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Once a Drama Board, always a Drama board 
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Coincidence? I think not!!!!
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Vangelis21
Supreme Hero
Manchild
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posted December 08, 2008 09:35 AM |
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just a reminder here without wanting to open any fires, quite the difference in fact. Just a reminder to people who have judged me so badly, i was the first one to notify the boards about natalka's character. the reaction from you? you called me drama queen and mama''s boy. if you had listened to me? you wouldn't have that know and pera wouldn't spend more hours playing. i am just saying , and not only in my case, if people have proof about others cheating, swearing etc etc they should be more than welcome to do it here. in any case i don't keep hard feelings to the ones who did it to me as the judgment came with that thread. thank you
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 10:14 AM |
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hehe, pera... yes, lion, i understand your frustration very well As for 18 years old boys - perhaps leave your passion out of the forum
Seems that i have been sloppy expressing my views... Short summary for you:
1. You did very well by trying to play again with each other. Providing loads was honorable.
2. I shared my experience concerning Natalka's non-cheating and I'm sure others might as well. Of course, you are entitled to your own opinion. All I asked - perhaps you are too critical to her because of completely human reasons like disrespect, abrupt communication, etc
Maybe there was no cheating, just big disappointment in game with her?
3. As for my advices then they still hold. Just avoid these long heroes games with unpleasant persons for you and, if possible, don't give reason for Ves to write "another drama thread".
You do understand that in the game versus disliked person where it is almost impossible to control cheaterish behavior, there will always be huge mistrust and suspicion at every disconnect. And if the game is 10 hours and it happens several times then no wonder you might be even convinced in deliberate d/c.
For example, my last experience with Val. There very many d/c and some of them where at the point were i might have "cried wolf". And the same for Val. But we did not and I think we even did not suspect each other just because of trust. Right now i am quite sure that Val is very honorable just because we gave each other a credit of trust. But can you imagine my conclusions if i didn't trust him?
Following this: "Can you give benefit of doubt if you realize that you play against unpleasant opponent?"
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted December 08, 2008 10:29 AM |
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whoos gonna answer what Lord asked?....may be you strider? 
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted December 08, 2008 10:33 AM |
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Defending such a person only makes you look bad strider.
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Strider_HL
Famous Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 11:11 AM |
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Defending such a person only makes you look bad strider.
Unfortunately but keeping it silent would be hypocritical hehe
Guys, I am not discussing Natalka's language! I am trying to introduce a breach in the cheating accusations. Sadly, she has burned bridges with this retaliation. And she has paid for it with blocking - i don't think that Fraudatio and others deem her as cheater, but the language was completely unacceptable to them!
Yes, the expressions are towering but those were true emotions referring to "cheater" insult. But you do agree that if such thread was never born then there would be no multiple blocking. In other words, we are horrified by Natalka's "reaction" but we don't question "the action" that triggered it all!
Put aside for a moment your repulsion about the form of those feelings and consider the bare facts that aroused them!
P.s. Look what emotions do to smart people - Pera didn't even try to hide too much rechanneling of that hideous curse to me Now, what do I do? Can I understand his fury or will I be judgmental brick head?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 12:34 PM |
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Best will be if Strider_HL is marry for Natalka. GL and HF
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the_teacher
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand!
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posted December 08, 2008 12:39 PM |
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good thing i'm not reading HC anymore, else my appetite for the game might decrease significantly. On the other hand this kind of threads help to appreciate more the ones who deserve that. A short , but a trustful list on msn is far batter. I'd always prefer to wait 3-4 days for a good , entertaining and relaxed game than risk to encounter such stupid situations.
There is another issue which still amazes me from time to time. I see people over 25-30 years, who are considered to reach a maturity and a level of discrimination that can keep them away of the frustration caused by any "suspicious D/C" , but still they live the DCfobia and waste energy to ask themselves question why and why and why and go public asking why and why and why and is it fair, etc.
What i understand from this game is that it represents a way of entertainment and as other ways, YOU can choose how to do it to get the most of it. Therefore i see only 2 players categories : 1. those desperate to not lose and it's your mistake to choose to play them and 2.those who want to play no matter the result with only aim to have fun and if accidentally d/c or ask/give for the sake of wasted hours a reload , in case of a minor click mistake, it's again your mistake to suspect them of evil things.. If someone raped you in the childhood doesn't make them all rapers and you'll be ending by "playing" alone, which is unhealthy.
Get rid of this fobia, you already know people around what are they capable of and choose who to play or not, but don't spam with post like self-questioning if you, the immaculate white soul , have been cheated in the filthiest way or is just a wrong assumption.
Trust your judgement and don't try to be disrespectful when you don't know facts or imagine things.
This post is not directed to pera, it's meant for others.
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted December 08, 2008 01:27 PM |
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Best will be if Strider_HL is marry for Natalka. GL and HF
sure, now I see...
and I wish them "a stone house!", as we have a word here
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Clay_Man
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TOH gamer
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posted December 08, 2008 04:56 PM |
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Let's take World cyber Games for instance,
Cheaters and game bug abusers receive either a penalty or disqualification. Isn't Toh supposed to be a similar, serious competitive tournament? (ok WCG is a much bigger event but there is still money and "fame" rewards here at toh).
Cheaters are not tolerated in ANY competitive enviroment, why should TOH be an exception
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted December 08, 2008 05:12 PM |
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Clay_Man: I dont think Natalka is "pure cheater". He is just crazy emotional and some time make "mistakes" like every new members. I dont want to blame her for mistakes like it. What pissed me is his language. This is totaly rude talk...and she is nice looking grl. We realy dont need argues/drama like it. If you dont like some one jst dont play him. Its not mean he is "bad" or "cheater". Some tiems one person dont like other for "strange" reasons. No need to make drama from it.
Hope Natalka will understand his mistake and apologise for this crazy talk.
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Clay_Man
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TOH gamer
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posted December 08, 2008 05:42 PM |
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Edited by Clay_Man at 17:43, 08 Dec 2008.
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Elit, I see your point and I agree. Maybe you & other members have different point of view of what is cheating.
IMHO, disconnecting and abusing commonly known game bugs on purpose are cheating, that's all, I dno why other ppl see it as some very, very harsh statement.
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