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posted February 18, 2009 04:07 PM |
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Well what form are you talking about then hm? Tell you what it doesn't matter because they all have the following incomon (wiki says the same btw)
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Anarchism is a political philosophy encompassing theories and attitudes which consider compulsory government unnecessary, harmful, or undesirable.
Yes... a system without a "compulsory" government. Society will get along wonderfuly .
Dude ... read the whole thing and don't get boxed in. I am not saying that this is the perfect system, but maybe there are some good things in it. Capitalism is great, socialism is great also but ... well, history speaks for itself.
Just read ... document yourself, when you hear about something and don't understand it, read about it, it will help a lot, trust me ! There are so many things to read about and so many things to understand about this life ...
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posted February 18, 2009 04:12 PM |
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I'm a big fan of reading don't get me wrong. It's just your statement that bothers me
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the principles of anarchy were never really applied to their full. Who knows ?
You don't have to try it to actually know it'll fail (atleast not until we develop into something muuuuuuuch more capable (and I don't see that happening any time soon)). And just because Anarchy has some good pieces it doesn't mean that it's actually fit to be put into work.
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posted February 18, 2009 04:16 PM |
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Somebody else said that the principles of Marx haven't been applied yet ... well ... how about Mother Russia ? and the list can continue ... Communism, socialism as Marx saw it, is actually a good thing ... with BAD practitioners.
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posted February 18, 2009 04:22 PM |
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How can Fascism not be capitalism's last stand?
Because fascists can be flexible with their economical ways, be it either Corporatism or Central planning but not totally free market.
As Mussolini said in one of his speeches "Fascism and Free market do not get along".
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posted February 18, 2009 04:24 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 16:27, 18 Feb 2009.
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Animals are incapable of human-type interaction. Humans are. That is the critical difference.
Dude I'm so tired of these arguments no matter how many times I repeat the same stuff over and over 
You want an analogy? Beggars are incapable of making president-decisions. Presidents are. Authority speaks.
If all you can say is "Animals can't do X" I ask you why did you choose X and not Y (e.g: "live"). Animals can't live? No, but you have to choose an X that is exclusive to humans.
Even if Aliens are better than us, we'll say probably "Aliens can't reason like humans!" (even if such reasoning is inferior mind you, i.e our reason is inferior to theirs!!!). This "X" of yours that you choose is arrogancy and authority at its finest.
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There is always a post with: Nazis this, Nazis that, Hitler/Stalin this, Hitler/Stalin that, WW2 this, WW2 that.
Because they are the hard facts of reality and not the pinky views of idealists?
Yeah yeah, I suppose wars before the WW2 were much worse right? We become so soft during our evolution, the atomic bomb isn't meant for more destruction, it's actually for CareBears and to make wars a lot softer.
Hell ignore the Bio weapons those go into even more fluffy-land...
Do a simple research into casualties will you?
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So you're saying that America was better in 1960 than in 1930 because it killed off a lot of its population?
You are really hard to take seriously.
No America didn't "kill off" its population.
Geez you people are either doing it intentionally just to get this into 10 pages before you can say "I get your point now, but I disagree" (mind you, I don't have a problem with the disagreement, but when you don't get my point or say I don't have a point, it really makes me annoyed because I WON'T MAKE 10 pages to repeat the same ****).
Or apparently it truly seems you can't comprehend my simple "riddles".
Dude, you say America was a lot better in the 1960s? Probably, but that depends. However take the whole world into account. Let me make another 'story'.
Now our world is pretty peaceful and okish, however I never said that it is now "bad" but that it has signs of turning bad. Let's say, in 10 years, some bio weapon (maybe by some terrorist) is released on Europe. People get infected at an order of magnitude faster than the Death Plague in the Dark Ages or whatever.
Now it seems you can't really put aside your self-illusion of psychological effect here: you may have a great time as an american, since who cares about those Europeans I guess... most certainly the world is soooooo much better than, let's say, year 2000 -- I mean who cares about the Europeans that they die? Once they're dead, they don't count anymore right? This is the fatal flaw.
This is what I meant with "killed off the sick". if you have 10 people on the planet enjoying average lives, and another scenario with 10 people on the planet, 9 of which are extremely sick and 1 which is Bill Gates, the latter is WORSE. If the 9 die, it won't change a thing, though apparently to you, since the world is now having only 1 rich dude called Bill Gates, it should be an awesome world?
Who argues that we get softer with our destructive potential as time passes by?
Also, take into account the environment as well and how much destruction we brought to the planet, not just your selffish ass 
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posted February 18, 2009 04:30 PM |
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Do a simple research into casualties will you?
So?60 milion deaths give you an excuse to introduce something WW2 related to every discussion?
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gabislayer
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posted February 18, 2009 04:34 PM |
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I'm a big fan of reading don't get me wrong. It's just your statement that bothers me
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the principles of anarchy were never really applied to their full. Who knows ?
You don't have to try it to actually know it'll fail (atleast not until we develop into something muuuuuuuch more capable (and I don't see that happening any time soon)). And just because Anarchy has some good pieces it doesn't mean that it's actually fit to be put into work.
Then start reading.
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posted February 18, 2009 04:41 PM |
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So?60 milion deaths give you an excuse to introduce something WW2 related to every discussion?
No you'll see more resemblance after that, with my post and how it resembles it.
And BTW there were a lot more deaths after the war itself (in the Soviet Union that is).
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posted February 18, 2009 04:44 PM |
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Do a simple research into casualties will you?
So?60 milion deaths give you an excuse to introduce something WW2 related to every discussion?
It's HISTORY man ... if you would like, I could bring in the Roman Empire, the Mongols, the USA or the French Monarchy into discussion. If for you, history seems something to ignore ... well ...
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posted February 18, 2009 04:56 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 16:58, 18 Feb 2009.
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I don't think you got my point Gabis...
EDIT: Neither do you and TheDeath get Darkys point xD.
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posted February 18, 2009 05:09 PM |
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EDIT: Neither do you and TheDeath get Darkys point xD.
Yeah well, let's just ignore the "worst sides" of the recent 20th century, that'll surely make the world look like a CareBear place to live in...
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posted February 18, 2009 05:14 PM |
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Nooononononononooooo that's not the point! Nobody is saying that WW2 isn't all bad and all the stuff you usually bring up (lol it's not like we don't know that).
The point is that WW2 isn't an argument for everything. But yeah SOMEHOW you always find a way.
This isn't about ignoring something this is about puting things into perspectives that actually make sense (not everything can be seen in perspective to WW2 mind you).
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posted February 18, 2009 05:17 PM |
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Yes you're right it's not an argument for everything, but here it is.
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posted February 18, 2009 05:40 PM |
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Do a simple research into casualties will you?
So?60 milion deaths give you an excuse to introduce something WW2 related to every discussion?
It's HISTORY man ... if you would like, I could bring in the Roman Empire, the Mongols, the USA or the French Monarchy into discussion. If for you, history seems something to ignore ... well ...
It's just because it was the biggest war in close up history. You could bring up the Roman Empire, but when you say Roman Empire people usually thinks of a great Empire with rich history and culture etc. When you say WW2 people instatnly think of Hitler, nazis and mass murder. It wasn't bigger than wars earlier (in any way: area, costs, deaths etc.). The thing I think is bad is that WW2 is World War II, there has been several wars that has involved more or less every continent in the world that existed (America didn't "exist" until the 17-hundreds) and that the invasion of America doesn't count as either war or invasion. Any way this (especially me) is going off topic.
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posted February 18, 2009 06:18 PM |
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It wasn't bigger than wars earlier (in any way: area, costs, deaths etc.).
You're joking right?
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posted February 18, 2009 06:22 PM |
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Think in percents.
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posted February 18, 2009 10:42 PM |
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You are exactly right.
gabislayer:
You know, a selfish person has a good reason for trying to improve the world.
And capitalism is hardly "showing its cracks".
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Natural selection is for animals, not for humans.
Humans are animals.
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This is so naive I don't even know where to begin.
This argument is so detailed and full of sense that I don't know where to begin to counter it.
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You miss one critical point - nearly all the people who survived WWII - whether in America, Europe, or even in the Warsaw Pact countries - were better off in 1960 than in 1930. And you can't say that their lives got better because a bunch of people died in the war.
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posted February 18, 2009 10:59 PM |
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You miss one critical point - nearly all the people who survived WWII - whether in America, Europe, or even in the Warsaw Pact countries - were better off in 1960 than in 1930. And you can't say that their lives got better because a bunch of people died in the war.
That wasn't my point. It doesn't matter HOW they got better off as long as others got it worse off. God could have personally come and select the survivors and give them a good life (for example). I don't care HOW, but all I'm saying is that others suffered. A lot.
That said, I'm most certainly not saying that many of the ones who survived (I mean, the ordinary citizens, not e.g: Stalin) did so at the expense of others.
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posted February 19, 2009 02:55 AM |
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The world is going to be devoid of life. The proliferation of nuclear weapons will see to it.
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posted February 19, 2009 03:08 AM |
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There will be much more powerful weapons then nukes before we destroy ourselves
I find it very likely that we will destroy ourselves ("accidently" of course) or get killed by some meteor or huge mega hyper über super disease.
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