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posted April 13, 2009 10:54 PM |
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Cars waste too much energy, regardless of gas or electricity. Sure electricity isn't just as polluting, but it IS nevertheless damaging like any form of energy. And this IS excessive energy. Cars are so wasteful and unoptimized for daily travel in the cities that I simply do not know what to say -- it's not like we are dumb to not be able to analyze the waste here and the inefficient use of that energy, MASSIVE amounts. Not to mention the "traffic problem" and accidents.
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posted April 13, 2009 10:55 PM |
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Bak:
Farmers aren't paying for the share of pollution they create, driving long distances.
TheDeath:
Then what alternative would you suggest?
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posted April 13, 2009 11:00 PM |
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Then what alternative would you suggest?
You're kidding right?
Let's suppose for the sake of the argument, that public transportation and managing efficient use of energy, are not available or feasible. Ask yourself why do you need to move around daily literally a "ton" or even heavier worth of 'material' from your home to work and back, when let's say that you could have even used a bike to get there...? (depending on traffic conditions, could be even faster!)
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posted April 13, 2009 11:34 PM |
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Not everyone lives close to work. Plus, people need to transport stuff, i.e. groceries, from the store to their homes, and it's a waste for them to shop every day.
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posted April 14, 2009 12:02 AM |
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I was primarily talking about daily activities. But you can put groceries in the bike as well, unless you go on a shopping rampage.
Plus there's also another alternative: online shopping. The courier or whatever it's called in english have more efficient means of systematically employing their route, based on requests, than everyone having to go there and back with their cars.
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posted April 14, 2009 12:33 AM |
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These are interesting alternatives, but putting groceries on a bike isn't a valid alternative for many people. Many American cars are bigger than European cars - not just gas-guzzling SUVs, but regular sedans. And yet it takes my family a whole trunk-full of groceries once a week. So a bike really isn't a valid alternative for us, especially considering that the nearest good grocery store is 39 km away.
As for online shopping, it's a good idea, except it can't be done for stuff like fruits, vegetables, etc.
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posted April 14, 2009 06:57 AM |
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Farmers aren't paying for the share of pollution they create, driving long distances.
They're feeding the planet. That's enough for me to cover a truck per family.
Heavy industries need to think about their share of pollution and whether it's worth it to anyone but themselves first and foremost. They create 90% of it, so of course they need to pay at least 90% of the taxes. But farmers' trucks aren't such a large threat to our environment in my opinion, and can freely come in later.
In fact, I think farmers need more benefits (not like they have much now) in order to get anyone to work the fields. But I guess we wouldn't know. We chill here in the cities theorizing while their salary depends on whether it's going to rain or snow. And we feel superior as hell.
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posted April 14, 2009 02:14 PM |
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Also think about all the gases their cows emit. 
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Heavy industries need to think about their share of pollution and whether it's worth it to anyone but themselves first and foremost.
Obviously - people are buying their products.
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posted April 14, 2009 02:36 PM |
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Obviously - people are buying their products.
All people? Or people living a long way away from the factory?
I'm not sure people living in the vicinity of a heavy industrial area are well-off enough to buy a lot those products.
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posted April 14, 2009 02:51 PM |
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Somebody clearly is. And if we factor in the costs of the pollution and the company is still able to make a profit, then that's fine.
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posted April 14, 2009 02:53 PM |
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As for online shopping, it's a good idea, except it can't be done for stuff like fruits, vegetables, etc.
Yes it can. Well down here it can. And I should know. I work at the place.
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posted April 14, 2009 02:59 PM |
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How would it work? One would have no way of checking freshness.
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posted April 14, 2009 03:02 PM |
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I think they check it and then seal it and then send it away.
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posted April 14, 2009 03:06 PM |
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Customers are far more capable of doing this, as they have a vested interest in their own health.
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posted April 14, 2009 04:05 PM |
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Customers are far more capable of doing this, as they have a vested interest in their own health.
Not to mention people have very different tastes. Take for example, bananas. Some people like them brown to the point of almost rotting, and others like them so green and hard you could chip a tooth on them. Or avocados. Depending one how many days later I will use them, I will buy them at differing degrees of ripeness.
And even more important - people like to see what they're getting before they pay for it. Why would I want to pay someone hard-earned money for produce, and trust that they're going to pick out produce that I know I am going to like. When I go to the grocery store and buy fruit, I spend quite a bit of time sorting through the yield in order to find specimens that have ripeness just to my liking. I wouldn't trust a friend to pick out my groceries, let alone a perfect stranger.
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posted April 15, 2009 01:54 AM |
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And even more important - people like to see what they're getting before they pay for it. Why would I want to pay someone hard-earned money for produce, and trust that they're going to pick out produce that I know I am going to like. When I go to the grocery store and buy fruit, I spend quite a bit of time sorting through the yield in order to find specimens that have ripeness just to my liking. I wouldn't trust a friend to pick out my groceries, let alone a perfect stranger.
Well first of all obviously you could use reimburse payment method (is that how it is called in english? when you pay it when it arrives, after you "check"). As for 'picking', well certainly you do have a point, BUT someone is bound to take those fruits anyway (which you didn't pick), so I guess this distrust has to go. If we encouraged them to make more "ok" fruits.
But as to each one's preferences -- we could have a more systematical route on it online as well, but it would require a redesign. Think, though, that they won't need to employ managers or shopkeepers anymore, except a few maintenance dudes for their servers.
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posted April 15, 2009 03:12 AM |
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Anyone who studied ancient greek here? 
As a personal interest its a hobby. Why?
mvass: From someone who lacks apathy towards lifeforms other than human beings I find your claim to be a Green liberal suspicious.
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posted April 15, 2009 03:15 AM |
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The utopia joke has lost it's zass a bit, so... (was referring to the dual meaning: good place and no place)
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posted April 15, 2009 04:15 AM |
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From someone who lacks apathy towards lifeforms other than human beings I find your claim to be a Green liberal suspicious.
You don't have to be a deep ecologist to be some kind of green.
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The poor don't got factories, they might have cars tho. HOW THE HELL WOULD THEY TAX MORE?! I want demand an anwser!
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No anti-liberalism in this thread.
I still demand an anwser.
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