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posted May 09, 2009 07:18 AM |
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Atheism is about as responsible for the murders as religion is for the murders during the crusades, salem witch trials, and countless other things done in the name of 'god'. Ie not at all. A PERSON or GROUP of PEOPLE are behind it not every atheist or every religious person. That is a huge distinction.
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posted May 09, 2009 08:24 AM |
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Edited by Elodin at 08:26, 09 May 2009.
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If you had read the article, you would clearly see that it is not the Supreme Court.
Actually if you had read the article you would see that both the Surpreme Court and the 7th Cirbuit Court of Appeals is mentioned. Indeed I quoted a reference to the Supreme Court in my post above. I know Chris Matthews didn't write the article, but still... 
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posted May 09, 2009 11:35 AM |
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So one day short of her child being 1 year old a woman kills her child and claims "The Hormones made me do it." Since should would be legally "hormone surge free" and it wasn't her fault that she beheaded her kid anyways (theoretically) so she goes scott free in one day huh?
I seriously doubt that hormones make anyone to kill.
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posted May 09, 2009 04:51 PM |
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But later, a court ruled that "evolutionism or secular humanism are 'religions' for Establishment Clause purposes."
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Galev
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posted June 03, 2009 01:10 PM |
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Edited by Galev at 13:13, 03 Jun 2009.
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No.
Agreed, NO.
edit: Okay, you guys are pretty strange and weird and ... help yourselfs to any of the synonyms
I've just realized that in lesser than 2 whole pages you are on the topic of atheism.
You seriously should think about why you are addicted to spiritual themes.
(I hope it's needless to say, but still: No offense meant)
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posted June 03, 2009 01:20 PM |
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Edited by bixie at 20:15, 04 Jun 2009.
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Atheism is about as responsible for the murders as religion is for the murders during the crusades, salem witch trials, and countless other things done in the name of 'god'. Ie not at all. A PERSON or GROUP of PEOPLE are behind it not every atheist or every religious person. That is a huge distinction.
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to be honest, this entire thread seems like a argument that anti-Suffrigettes would use in their reasoning, and that was in the 1890's to 1910's. It's an outdated argument, in my view, yes one woman should be punished for killing her child due to hormones (I highly doubt it was just "Hormones" I seriously think it was Post natal depression or M.E) but A) isn't she going through enough, killing a child that she bore for 9 months, with the whole of society telling her what a horrible person she is? (heavens above, its no wonder she hasn't commited suicide yet) and B) how does that justify the need to remove a certain group of people from the electoral role. It's a stupid argument, to be frank, a stupid argument to reverse everything that feminists and the suffrigettes were fighting for, and that's all there is to it.
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Aculias
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posted June 03, 2009 02:55 PM |
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Hormones is the same as loving another person.
Even tough sometimes it is not about love.
SOmetimes your hormones can effect the way you think just like love.
They call it blind love
They call that blind hormones.
It dont justify your actions. You still have a choice & you are taking away someones life. A family that will never see that person again.
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Rarensu
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posted June 05, 2009 06:41 AM |
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Edited by Rarensu at 06:55, 05 Jun 2009.
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This is a great dilemma of philosophy: What determines character - actions or intent?
In western civilization, we tend to punish intent more strongly than action, eg, attempted murder is punished harder than manslaughter.
However, this brings an interesting paradox - what is the difference between a man who intends to kill but never gets an opportunity, and a man who intends to kill and gets an opportunity? Should we start going around jailing people who have murderous thoughts?
We pretty much all agree than murder during a severe delusion shouldn't be punished the same as cold-blooded murder. But how can we ever really know how much of the intent already existed and how much was created by the delusion? The blur between sanity and insanity plagues us especially now that we have more precise ways to label it.
If you are a particularly religious or spiritual man, then it is easy to believe that issues of fairness will be worked out by a higher power (God or Karma, &c) at some later time. In this case, all that really matters is the social consequences: is this person safe to release back into the public?
Unfortunately, this can cause situations unpalatable to many. If a man commits murder, but is then rendered no longer capable of committing murder, can he be allowed to walk without punishment?
These questions aren't new - ancient philosophers have been debating them for millennia. It is likely that we will never have a satisfying answer to this fundamental conundrum.
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To address the original question:
It depends on who put the hormones there.
Doctor accidentally injects wrong woman full of hormones. Woman murders.
NOT GUILTY
Woman knows she has unpredictable reaction to hormones, but gets pregnant anyways. Woman murders.
GUILTY
Man has malignantly cancerous adrenal gland that spontaneously injects him with adrenaline overdose. Man murders.
NOT GUILTY
Man rapes woman, whose pregnancy hormones drive her insane. Woman murders.
GUILTY (the man is guilty of the murder, not the woman)
Original situation:
God creates woman with unhealthy reaction to hormones. Woman knows nothing about hormones, gets pregnant, murders.
GUILTY (God is guilty, not the woman)
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posted June 05, 2009 03:10 PM |
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In western civilization, we tend to punish intent more strongly than action, eg, attempted murder is punished harder than manslaughter.
Attempted murder is an action, not just an intent. Furthermore, when the result is the same, obviously the intent matters (voluntary vs. involuntary manslaughter). It has to do with the probability that the offender will offend again given the opportunity.
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posted June 05, 2009 03:29 PM |
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Edited by VokialBG at 15:32, 05 Jun 2009.
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No, they are not. End of the thread.
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posted June 05, 2009 03:37 PM |
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There is no excuse for killing.
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posted June 05, 2009 10:08 PM |
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Doctor accidentally injects wrong woman full of hormones. Woman murders.
NOT GUILTY
the doc is guilty
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God creates woman with unhealthy reaction to hormones. Woman knows nothing about hormones, gets pregnant, murders.
GUILTY (God is guilty, not the woman)
She would know if she reads this thread.
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Galev
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posted June 05, 2009 11:14 PM |
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@Rarensu (@a bitof TheDeath) You judge sooo easily.
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posted June 06, 2009 12:02 AM |
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It was a hypothetical case where I would know the situation (i.e omniscient). Of course in reality it's hard to know exactly what is in people's minds.
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