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posted May 16, 2009 09:04 PM |
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If you are unable or unwilling to do that as a society, then your options are narrowing: you can either accept the situation - **** happens and some things are just unavoidable: as long as there are cars there will be accidents
I choose this. Natural selection.
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what about the honest dude who just crashed into an idiot? Natural selection too?
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posted May 16, 2009 09:06 PM |
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You always bring up drunk drivers.
We should be cracking down on drunk drivers, not on drinkers.
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posted May 16, 2009 09:12 PM |
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Drunk drivers is just one possibility. I said "idiot". Anything, including someone who talks at the cellphone in the car or does other stupid things, you know?
The thing I was referring to was: as long as there are cars there will be accidents, in the quote.
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posted May 16, 2009 09:50 PM |
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Well, that's unavoidable. It's worth the cost, though - after all, when you get on the road, you're taking a risk.
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posted May 16, 2009 10:00 PM |
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Still don't see how that is natural selection 
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posted May 16, 2009 10:07 PM |
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Compare that with drinking. Or smoking. Or everything else. It makes no sense to make BUYING cigarettes or alcolhol illegal for teens, if they get the stuff from their parents, right?
Yes, it does. The store doesn't care what the buyer does with the stuff after it's been paid for. The parent does. The parent is supposed to take care of the child. The store isn't.
Mv, try to keep the starting point of this in clear focus.
The law has a purpose. You can buy things only from a certain age on.
However, if you can get the stuff FOR FREE from anyone entitled to buy the stuff...
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posted May 16, 2009 11:09 PM |
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It's natural selection for the idiots. For the responsible people, it's just a risk.
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There's a good reason for that. The store is not a nanny - if you have the money, you can buy it. If you don't, then you can't. That's all the store cares about. Meanwhile, parents, who are assumed to be both rational and care about the child's well-being, are permitted to buy whatever they want. They are also trusted (in most cases) to treat their children responsibly. So a child might well go and buy a gun and then go kill people, but a parent may buy a gun and then give it to the child for use only under close parental supervision.
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posted May 16, 2009 11:20 PM |
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posted May 16, 2009 11:33 PM |
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You made it sound like there was a contradiction. I explained that there wasn't.
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posted May 17, 2009 09:52 AM |
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You don't see a contradiction?
How are you going to control ANYTHING when the stores are not caring whom they sell what as long as they SELL? And how are you going to control ANYTHING, if every parent thinks they know a lot better than everyone else, and they won't let any stupid governmental idiots decide how to educate their children, and to hell with any law?
Hm? HOW?
Everyone is so sure they know best how to do things and that quacks and politicians and shrinks are just busybodies who just want to make a fast buck - and then, when something happens, they are crying hell and damnation and that THERE HAS TO BE DONE SOMETHING!
I find that rather stupid.
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posted May 17, 2009 11:27 AM |
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Yeah, there should be some things that are only available to 'adults' (lets ignore that some adults are less intelligent then some kids). I agree with JJ on that point. However, paintball is the subject here, and if you equate Paintball with say Alcohol..I think you are missing something. Paintball is a game, much like Lazer Tag. You run around and shoot people with colored paint, often in the woods, where only by sheer blind bad luck would somebody who is not involved in said Paintball is going to be.
You wear protective gear (and if you don't then it is your fault for being an idiot. We should not protect people from being idiots..we will not ever have the resources to protect everybody from being idiots) and get exercise. It is harmless fun, and does not lead somebody to become the next Dalmer. Nor does video games, or watching violence on tv. Those are just excuses.
Parents do tend to want what is best for their children. Yes their is exceptions, but exceptions prove the rule. Some senator that has never had children has NO CLUE what is best for a child. They think they do, but that is like somebody who a tax accountant telling a construction crew how to build a house..
So yes, I think there are some logical things that should be for adults. Alcohol, Smokes, and guns. Games however, are generally for children. Paintball is a game. Sure a logical age of say 13 or so could be imposed, but beyond that..just make laws that limit where it can be done (to limit 'innocent' idiots from getting caught in the middle).
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posted May 17, 2009 05:06 PM |
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How are you going to control ANYTHING when the stores are not caring whom they sell what as long as they SELL?
Well, obviously there should be laws that restrict certain things to adults.
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if every parent thinks they know a lot better than everyone else, and they won't let any stupid governmental idiots decide how to educate their children, and to hell with any law?
The average parent does know better than the government. Unless you're suggesting that we confiscate all children and have the government raise them. Hello, 1984!
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posted May 17, 2009 09:01 PM |
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if every parent thinks they know a lot better than everyone else, and they won't let any stupid governmental idiots decide how to educate their children, and to hell with any law?
The average parent does know better than the government. Unless you're suggesting that we confiscate all children and have the government raise them. Hello, 1984!
Unfortunately certain political philosophies believe that children are wards of the state and parents just are granted stewardship of the children by the state.
But the family unit obviously came before any governemnt. And as you observe, parents love their children and are involved with them on a day to day basis. Parents are in a far better position to determine what is best for their child than some government beaurocrat.
Children mature at a different rate and parents observe that and adjust boundaries based on their observations. A beaurocrat can't parent a child from a thousand miles away.
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posted May 17, 2009 09:53 PM |
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Simply spoken, the problem is way more complex than a simple post can cover.
The main mistake in terms of education people are making is, they faul to realize that their own education - or childhood - will have a decisive and massive influence on their views. This is something that goes too far to deal with here in a couple of sentences, and I won't even try to. Makes no sense either. People see this differently, of course.
The second thing is paintball and violence. I'm not going to quote anymote, since it makes no sense either.
As everyone here is just throwing around their personal opinions I'll do the same: In terms of violation our society is dominated by TV and nowadays by games. A game like paintball isn't harmless fun, it's just proof for this. A game where you realistically kill people? Please. Who needs that? It's just mirroring the fact that the entertainment industry is selling the thrill of fear for a loong time now and our society is over-violenced, so-to-speak. It gets worse, because children are confronted with too much too soon, therefore their tolerance gets higher with every generation.
Of course you'll see this different. I could name studies and statistics and whatnot, and most people still wouldn't believe anything.
So discussion doesn't make much sense, obviously.
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posted May 17, 2009 10:41 PM |
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Iīm not sure how many people play paintball just because you can "realistically kill". I donīt. It is just collective sport, involving tactics, cooperation and precision.
And over-violenced? I donīt think so. Look to history up to medieval ages...
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posted May 17, 2009 11:02 PM |
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Tactics and cooperation for what?
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posted May 17, 2009 11:09 PM |
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For winning the round?
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posted May 17, 2009 11:19 PM |
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Should we also ban Counter-Strike, for example, either that or replace all the "human models" in it with something else -- like lego warriors?
(ok don't mind this, it was an exaggeration attack  )
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posted May 18, 2009 01:33 AM |
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if you use paintballs, just dont do this youtubevideo
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posted May 18, 2009 05:54 AM |
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JJ, you're assuming that kids are killing because they're desensitised to violence. That's hardly the case. For example, 4chan has desensitised people to plenty of things, including racism, rape, and so on. And yet we have not seen any significant rise in that among people who are likely to go to 4chan.
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