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posted June 18, 2009 01:51 AM |
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I have been thinking about how to respond to this like 8 times (when I see the thread). I've realized rather easily that I can answer in several different ways depending on how I look at the question and the ultimate reality which could formulate my answer.
My answer derived from the preferred outlook is that in some cases I think to long and never do. Sometimes I think to long before I do. Sometimes I find balance and everything works out, sometimes it does not for a different number of reasons. Sometimes I do not give enough thought, and sometimes no thought is necessary.
I cannot bring myself to the grunt level and give a straight answer because I am a thinker, but I do, give my answer in a very short design compared to the reality.
(lol jk about the grunt thing) Sometimes simple minded mentality benefits me, yet sometimes complex constructions of thoughts and concepts benefit me as well.
summary, in a way.. I am both in various degrees depending on the example.
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posted June 18, 2009 01:54 AM |
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Some interesting responses.
I want to stress that being a "thinker" doesn't mean you're lazy and being a "doer" doesn't mean you are stupid. It's more about the way you like to approach and solve problems, or what facet of a problem you like to work on (when you're working on a team).
In the discipline of science we talk about experimentalists and theoreticians.
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posted June 18, 2009 01:58 AM |
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Exactly Corribus. I view the people that prefer to test and try things out first, rather than deep analyze it before the first test, as doers. The latter as thinkers.
For instance, someone who might want to get a car to work, and look at the components and swap them one by one (in logical ways obviously!) might be considered a doer. Someone who thinks about the symptoms deeply enough to find out exactly which of the components is faulty by his experience and/or analysis is a thinker. And then the thinker does just one correct swap, after he rules out all the others by thinking. Sometimes this can take more time than a doer (because thinking takes time) but it's just in my nature 
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posted June 18, 2009 01:58 AM |
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in that case I am a thinker or theorist but it's pointless as no one I know gives a rat crap about complex thoughts from me and they do not even explain why so I am left wondering if my ideas are bad or if .. a number of ifs.
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posted June 18, 2009 02:53 AM |
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I would like to think that I am both.
Although sometimes I do things without thinking about it or think about things without doing it, and sometimes I think about things and then decide not to do them, which I guess is a do in itself, which would mean that I am thinking AND doing.
Either way, it's kind of a stupid question. 
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posted June 18, 2009 03:02 AM |
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Either way, it's kind of a stupid question.
No it isn't. The difference between me and a spontaneous person is huge, and you would know if you knew me in RL.
Something like, thinker=deep planner, doer=spontaneous.
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posted June 18, 2009 03:21 AM |
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You can be a doer without being spontaneous.
If the question is whether I'm cautious or spontaneous, then, well... I can't be bothered thinking about it
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posted June 18, 2009 08:29 AM |
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I am both
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posted June 18, 2009 08:30 AM |
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Except for sex. I am a doer!!! the rest comes with common sense
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posted June 18, 2009 08:54 AM |
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Sometimes I stop and think, but sometimes I don't think and rush straight forward.
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posted June 18, 2009 09:29 AM |
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On average in my life I'd say about 30% thinker and 70% doer. If I understand the idea of the thread, it's more related to tasks and projects, especially more involved projects.
I think the high percentage of doer is because most of what I've done was either fast paced work, or there were ridiculous deadlines to meet.
Even a job that might be considered a thinking job like engineering is really about doing. An engineer can think all he wants about a design, but ultimately he has to get it down on paper (or CAD). He has to do the schematic, do any calculations needed, check costs and availability of parts, consult with the board designer, consult with the mechanical guys, consult with manufacturing/production engineering, and a bunch of other things that need to be taken care of. Engineering is about pulling together hundreds of little details, making sure they are all correct, and making sure that the information gets passed on to the appropriate people. His brain is working all that time, but it's working as a necessary part of the doing process.
Ultimately, all jobs are about doing, even if the doing is nothing more than putting thoughts down in writing. Thoughts can't be eaten, then don't keep you warm in the winter and they can't be sold. Only the doing can accomplish those things.
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posted June 18, 2009 02:43 PM |
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Ultimately, all jobs are about doing, even if the doing is nothing more than putting thoughts down in writing.
Well, maybe. But not all people are right for all kinds of jobs. Just because you have a job that requires a lot of "doing", that doesn't make you a doer. Probably why a lot of us thinkers don't like to go to work.
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posted June 18, 2009 04:04 PM |
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I think about doing it quite a bit.
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posted June 18, 2009 09:27 PM |
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Probably why a lot of us thinkers don't like to go to work
Yea, but you need some sort of goal to keep your mind focused. Without that your thoughts would become too scattered. You can think about your next move in chess all you want, but sooner or later you have to move a piece.
Besides, don't you want to verify if your ideas are correct? Like in electronics there's a certain satisfaction with applying power to a new design for the first time and giving it the smoke test. Just that slight cringe when you first apply power, and the relief when there's no smoke.
Although admittedly it's kind of exciting when there *IS* smoke. And even better if there's actually fire. I mean do you realize how fast a toilet paper tube burns when you wrap a large wire around it a few times to make an inductor then apply several kilowatts of RF power to it? *POOF*
Come on, if you don't think stuff like that is fun then you shouldn't be a scientist.
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posted June 18, 2009 09:33 PM |
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An engineer can think all he wants about a design, but ultimately he has to get it down on paper (or CAD).
I disagree.
You are being extreme. Saying a thinker doesn't do anything at all, even using mostly thoughts, is like saying a doer doesn't think at all.
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He has to do the schematic, do any calculations needed, check costs and availability of parts, consult with the board designer, consult with the mechanical guys, consult with manufacturing/production engineering, and a bunch of other things that need to be taken care of.
Consulting may be a doer I agree, but calculations? Those are mostly done by computer software these days, you just have to think about the possible formulas or relationships. That is, THINK much and output only one.
The way I see it, a doer is more like trying different things before the final output. A thinker usually plans in advance a lot and only does minimal testing finally (because he already got it almost right the first time).
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Ultimately, all jobs are about doing, even if the doing is nothing more than putting thoughts down in writing. Thoughts can't be eaten, then don't keep you warm in the winter and they can't be sold. Only the doing can accomplish those things.
You have a fatal flaw in there. Imagine you're in a software office. ASSUME that you have a mental-computer interface, that is, you use your thoughts to communicate with the computer (not mouse or keyboard -- don't laugh, it has been done, but only with specific people as prototypes etc, not on mass scales).
Is that still "doing" even though you think 100% of the time?
What makes the keyboard so different, after all, you are dominated 95% by thoughts in that process, not by typing.
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posted June 18, 2009 09:41 PM |
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Besides, don't you want to verify if your ideas are correct?
Well of course there's a satisfaction there. But it's not what motivates me. I see experimentation as a necessary part of what I do, but it's not what I enjoy doing. I'd much rather analyze data than actually generate it in the first place. But on the other hand, I know a lot of people who find analyzing data to be a chore; they find much more pleasure in doing the experiment.
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posted June 19, 2009 12:15 AM |
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Besides, don't you want to verify if your ideas are correct?
when I was programming, that was the most stressful part. you have spent hours thinking about everything, and when you try your program for the 1st time, bing, you find a lots of glitches, if ever it even works. well, I wasn't bad at programming, but you always forget to consider something, or make a typo somewhere...
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posted June 19, 2009 12:29 AM |
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Besides, don't you want to verify if your ideas are correct?
when I was programming, that was the most stressful part. you have spent hours thinking about everything, and when you try your program for the 1st time, bing, you find a lots of glitches, if ever it even works. well, I wasn't bad at programming, but you always forget to consider something, or make a typo somewhere...
Typos aren't that bad, because they signal compiler errors.
What's bad is if it compiles and then doesn't work as expected. Either way, I usually re-analyze the code before debugging as most people would do (my thinker nature)
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posted June 19, 2009 12:30 AM |
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before I knew how to use the debuggers, typos were extremly annoying.
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posted June 19, 2009 04:47 PM |
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@Fauch
Yes, "doing" is tedious. That's why I'm not a doer.
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