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posted July 16, 2009 09:38 PM |
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Then the prison has failed and should be improved 
But if you did some huge mass murder you should get some special "long punishment prison" which should be sort of like a prison-city There should be gardens, fruit trees and stuff etc.
In Sweden, the prisoners dont live in cold cells but more like small apartments, often together. You even get a TV etc and better food then the school offers the children.
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posted July 16, 2009 09:50 PM |
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America is not a war-mongering nation.
10 wars in two hundred years, that's about similar to the Roman empire in degree of frequency.
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If not for America you would be kissing Nazi butt right now.
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I am pro-life. Executing criminals is not wrong.
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I see no rational reason for drawing that conclusion except that I think differently than you
You have become the enemy, baklava.
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Im against execution and really any physical violence against criminals. People can change. To kill someone doesnt do any good. If my mum was killed I would not feel more happy if the murderer would have been executed.
It is to prevent them from going back into society.
And animals are not equal to us, because our main purpose is to preserve our species. If others die to save our own species, it's called natural selection. We are going a little overboard with that, though.
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Just because other animals dont tend to communicate with a "language" like we do, doesnt mean they are stupid
It's because they act on instinct.
Also, I think that goes to far with the prisoners. People pay for that, you know... And homeless sometimes commit crimes to end up in prison and once that happens, you know something is wrong.
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posted July 16, 2009 09:50 PM |
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What if murdering babies is part of my religion?
You don't have a right to kill babies because babies have a right to live.
And what if my god says they don't?
The US founding fathers wrote that all men are endowed by God with certain inalienable rights; among these are the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
You are not allowed to kill someone else therefore regardless of what your "god" says. Your freedom of religion does not override the rights of others to live.
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You just understood it that way for God knows what reason, and leaped on me, calling my opinions anti-American and calling me an antichrist.
Yes, I said your statements were anti-American. I did not call you an anti-Christ.
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Sacrificing an animal isn't killing it for "necessary uses", as much as sacrificing a baby isn't.
Like I said, sacrificing animals is not a part of my religion but others have a right to practice their religion. I'm sorry if you don't agree.
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A goat has a much higher level of consciousness than a fetus anyway. And a goat also has the right to live.
A fetus is a human life and infinitely more valuable that all the animals that ever have or ever will life. I'd kill all the animals in the world to save one human life.
I'm a vegetarian myself but I don't condemn those who eat meat.
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We humans are indeed the most cruel and down right "evil" animal in the Solar system.
What? Animals kill and eat other animals in the wild. And they don't always kill them in a "humane" way. Some animals like to play with their prey before killing them.
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Well, then they should get high security prisons
Within the last week a group of I think 4 criminals escaped from a high security prison in the US. One was a rapist and the rest murderers. One has been captured the last I saw. It is not unusual for escaped criminals to kill when they escape. They kill to get a vehicle or supplies.
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In Sweden, the prisoners dont live in cold cells but more like small apartments, often together. You even get a TV etc and better food then the school offers the children.
Oh how cozy. Drain money away from society that could be used for better things and pamper criminals, eh?
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posted July 16, 2009 09:54 PM |
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And animals are not equal to us, because our main purpose is to preserve our species. If others die to save our own species, it's called natural selection. We are going a little overboard with that, though.
Alright, go back in caves and be full of this natural selection. I think he was talking about a specific supposed-to-be-rational species, not just another animals acting on instinct...
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posted July 16, 2009 09:54 PM |
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The US founding fathers wrote that all men are endowed by God with certain inalienable rights; among these are the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
And sixty years later they added some law against slavery, but, yeah, the founding fathers were right all the way. Slave owners who wanted to be free, right?
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Alright, go back in caves and be full of this natural selection. I think he was talking about a specific supposed-to-be-rational species, not just another animals acting on instinct...
I fail to understand what you are saying
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posted July 16, 2009 09:56 PM |
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What? Animals kill and eat other animals in the wild. And they don't always kill them in a "humane" way. Some animals like to play with their prey before killing them.
That's because they act on INSTINCT. Do you want to be like them? Fine, get rid of your rational brain.
We are evil because WE CHOOSE TO BE EVIL. They are not evil because they can't choose, so they must be innocent (how "evil" is a gun? it can't choose who to kill either).
@Dagoth: natural selection in modern humans is BS since the dawn of medicine, for one. Subjecting yourself to natural causes or natural explanations for your behavior only makes you ignore your rational potential, in effect, making you closer to a caveman. The difference, though, between you and an animal is that you choose to be that way (or to explain your behavior with natural selection or whatever).
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posted July 16, 2009 09:59 PM |
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Objects and animals are innocent indeed. The wielders of weapons are guilty...
Now, we don't kill animals because they are evil...
Just because they have a nice fur coat or they live in places where we like to dump our garbage...
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posted July 16, 2009 10:01 PM |
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natural selection in modern humans is BS since the dawn of medicine, for one.
Not entirely, we just have different demands in order for you to survive. they are lower than nature's but still...
You won't pass on your genes if you're incapable of being a producive member of this society (usually, anyway).
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posted July 16, 2009 10:01 PM |
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Objects and animals are innocent indeed. The wielders of weapons are guilty...
Now, we don't kill animals because they are evil...
Just because they have a nice fur coat or they live in places where we like to dump our garbage...
See? We are evil and selfish. Not all of course, but then again, only the evil ones actually make the presence and the "big changes/actions", the good/innocent ones will always not 'matter'.
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posted July 16, 2009 10:09 PM |
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The US founding fathers wrote that all men are endowed by God with certain inalienable rights; among these are the right to life, liberty, and the persuit of happiness.
And sixty years later they added some law against slavery, but, yeah, the founding fathers were right all the way. Slave owners who wanted to be free, right?
I have addressed this before. Many of the founding fathers wanted to immediately set all slaves free but they did not think they could do so politically. They worked behind the scenes to bring an end to slavery in America.
America did not invent slavery. The white man did not invent slavery. Slavery still exists today.
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posted July 16, 2009 10:14 PM |
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We are evil because WE CHOOSE TO BE EVIL. They are not evil because they can't choose, so they must be innocent (how "evil" is a gun? it can't choose who to kill either).
We are evil because we suffer of:
*Fear of the unknown
*Thus discrimination of the new and unknown(if we met a alian race, we would either attempt to exterminate them or they would be discriminated the few that would mover over here if they did)
*We are cruel
*We are quite selfish
This is the "low" definition of evil, and we are. The fact we claim that we are "good", is what really makes it so bad. We pillage, burn, rape, exterminate, and more. And we have done it for centuries.
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posted July 16, 2009 10:14 PM |
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Yes, but we're not speaking Somalia, here. We're talking about the western world and true slavery doesn't exist. In fact, if Sartres is to be believed slavery does not exist at all. Anyway, I don't care what they wanted to do, they DIDN'T DO IT. I can say: "Sure I was trying to stop that murderer, but in a subtle way, you know?", but if I didn't I'm still an accomplice. Some of the founding fathers even owned slaves, so yeah...
Just sayin', elodin, mi amore, my love.
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posted July 16, 2009 10:24 PM |
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So finally I copied like half the page and will answer the comments directed to me.
Why would you want to prevent criminals from getting back to the society? :S The goal should be to make them fit in to the society and get them back to it. Not prevent them from living a notmsl life.
And humans act on instinct to, in many cases. We are no less animals then ants or cats. I dont expect us to snuggle with rabbits 24/7 but please dont torture animals and make them scared, okey?
And homeless people should get just as much attention as making criminals fit in to the society. If you are homeless its often your own fault, skipping school etc and refusing to work.
In my opinion, everyone is equal. Even criminals. They dont deserve to get locked in their whole life. You only live once, or so they say 
That a Polar Bear goes and slaugthers a Seal to eat is natural. That a human went hunting fair with sticks was once natural. That humans now mass-breed animals to slaugther them and treat them like trash is not natural.
Also Humans are still evolving. More then ever actually. We are breeding like rabbits (why do you say so anyway? aliens should say "They are breeding like humans!") so some evoloution there happens and there is probably still some natural selection going on. I thought natural selection meant that the "good" genes passes on to the next generation?
We are really snows. I probably have a thousand things I actually dont need in this apartment.
Would we humans actually need a stove? Or refrigerator? No. We dont. But it certainly makes life a million times more comfortable. What, do you expect me to go and live in a cave with a campfire and get 12 children at the age of 15?
And what about those "western" men that go to Thailand and enslave young boys? >.>
Or does guys that promise the Thailand girls of the glorious country of Sweden, the true paradise on Earth only to get locked inside the basement?
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posted July 16, 2009 10:26 PM |
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Anyway, I don't care what they wanted to do, they DIDN'T DO IT. I can say: "Sure I was trying to stop that murderer, but in a subtle way, you know?", but if I didn't I'm still an accomplice. Some of the founding fathers even owned slaves, so yeah...
Just sayin', elodin, mi amore, my love.
Sorry, you have an ignorance of history. Many of the founding fathers were members of anti-slavery organizations and worked to end slavery. So they did DO SOMETHING. Changes take a while to implement sometimes.
Slavery has existed since before recorded history. Since slavery existed longer in Europe than in America I guess Europe is more to blame than American, eh?
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posted July 16, 2009 10:31 PM |
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Sorry, you have an ignorance of history. Many of the founding fathers were members of anti-slavery organizations and worked to end slavery. So they did DO SOMETHING. Changes take a while to implement sometimes.
Sixty years is a long time....
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Slavery has existed since before recorded history. Since slavery existed longer in Europe than in America I guess Europe is more to blame than American, eh?
But Americans are the children of Europeans or do you still have some indians running around there?
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posted July 16, 2009 10:34 PM |
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But Americans are the children of Europeans or do you still have some indians running around there?
But Americans left Europe because of the oppressiveness of European governments. Kind of like the oppressive European socialist states that exist in Europe now.
And yes, there are still Indians in America.
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posted July 16, 2009 10:39 PM |
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But Americans left Europe because of the oppressiveness of European governments. Kind of like the oppressive European socialist states that exist in Europe now.
You forgot the famine and the nobles.
And yes there is oppressive socialist states in Europa, like Norway and Sweden and Denmark and Finland.
Xerox: Keep going
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posted July 16, 2009 10:42 PM |
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I thought natural selection meant that the "good" genes passes on to the next generation?
Dear xerdux and any natural selection believers,
In today's society, what is more important: your physical capabilities and genes, or your education or skills and mentality? In other words, genes or mentality?
You don't pass mentality down with genes. You teach it. Unfortunately for natural selection...
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posted July 16, 2009 10:48 PM |
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And yes, there are still Indians in America.
This made me laugh in a sad way...
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But Americans left Europe because of the oppressiveness of European governments. Kind of like the oppressive European socialist states that exist in Europe now.
Depends... pretty sure that Cortez had two big, green dollar-signs on in his eyes when he left to the Americas. As for North-America, people went there to conquer that. It was a rat race between France, England, Spain and Portugal. Motivations were more political than anything else, and so it happens that private entrepreneurs went there. Also, those 'oppressive socialist states' in Europe were among the first to introduce freedom of religion in the world.
And the rest is pretty pointless. Americans were mostly Britis immigrants who went there for all sorts of reasons. Hence...
you are our children n a way and we are quite fond of you...
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posted July 16, 2009 10:56 PM |
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I actually didn't know that not having invented a crime is an excuse for committing it. I have to remember bringing that up next time I humiliate a couple of gays or women and get attecked becaue of it.
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