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posted November 14, 2009 08:51 AM |
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(And I guess I will be for a long time. Wake me when you come up with something convincing.)
Still looks like you are lying to me.
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Still waiting for the name of an astrophysicist or cosmologist who says that the big bang theory is flawed due to the laws of thermodynamics, and that the same laws support God as the scientific origin of the universe.
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I repeat, you seem to have a reading problem or a lying problem. Show me where I said the Big Bang theory is flawed. Since you continue to say you are "waiting" for me to back up a cliam I did not make I surmise it is a lying problem.
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posted November 14, 2009 08:58 AM |
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What's wrong with Christian schools? I think most of the Christian primary and secondary schools are Catholic, and I assumed that was the same everywhere.
As far as colleges, I never thought the Crhistian colleges were any different except they offered more religion classes. But to my knowledge the religion classes aren't required (judging from my vast experience looking through the catalogs of maybe 5 schools ).
I suspect what the marketing material means about teaching the "Christian way" is probably referring to the overall atmosphere or something. Or it could be pure marketing BS.
I looked into going to the local Catholic school in my area because they have a good engineering school. I never hear about stuff having to do with religion related to that school But it's a big party school and the cops get called every weekend during football season when they all get drunk and roudy and burn all their furniture in the streets.
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posted November 14, 2009 09:05 AM |
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Then, what is the meaning Binabik of statements of the form "we will teach you this or that the christian way" ? Why is the underlined part there in the statement ?
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posted November 14, 2009 09:18 AM |
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I have no idea, except it may be just marketing. Like you said it's not like there's a Christian CS and a heathen CS. Also, I suspect that some of them have a high percentage of Christians and a lot of Christians may prefer going to school with other Christians.
The Catholic school I mentioned has a high percentage of non-Christians because for decades it was the only college in the city. So maybe all the drunken parties are the heathens. (but I doubt it)
So can I assume they don't have so many Christian schools in Greece?
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posted November 14, 2009 09:49 AM |
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I don't know how to answer that question Binabik.
Do they teach religion courses in other secondary / high schools which are not titled "christian" in US ? A religion class is part of the standard curriculum in Greece while you are <= 18. As of colleges, unis, etc. unless you want to be a priest or something, there is no such adjective as "christian" that characterizes the institution in Greece.
As of the marketing trick as a justification, why not say in the advertisement what you want to say ? i.e. you will socialize with other Christians. Think about it. These people teach literature, philosophy, anything, the christian way. All I really see from such a statement is people who are dangerous.
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posted November 14, 2009 10:03 AM |
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Remember I'm just speculating about what they mean when they say that. It probably depends a lot on the school too.
As far as teaching religion classes in high school, I've never heard of it except at the Catholic schools. They certainly didn't teach it at my school.
As a matter of fact I suspect that it would be illegal to teach anything other than a comparative religion type of class at public schools in the US. It would likely be declared unconstitutional if the class was taught as something other than a sociological study. (Again, that's speculation)
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posted November 14, 2009 10:04 AM |
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wait a minute...lying problem?!
this is a new and interesting turn of events in the debate as to whether there is a supernatural being or beings or not. Rather than taking on board peoples points and providing the data asked for, you've simply resorted to claiming they are lying or stupid. interesting and damning at the same time!
What's next, Eli-kins, are you going to start referencing Gematria? if you do, I've got several oppinions on that rubbish. maybe start using the fibonnachi sequence as a proof of god? if so, ye gods, are you going to piss off alot of people. maybe quote Peter Stoner, whose book is poorly written, poorly argued, and generally considered a bad interpretation of the material by proffessers.
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posted November 14, 2009 10:12 AM |
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How ... *on earth* has this anything to do with religion ? These guys should be locked up and medicated. And what is more striking is that clearly all these christian (or "christian", whatever ...) institutions actually have customers; the proof is that they survive and actually seem to be doing quite well financially.
Finally, if you feel like answering Elodin, have you had pre-marital sex, assuming that you are married ? If you are not, have you sinned this way ? I certainly have, and I don't regret it. Well ... may be for some of the times, but for entirely different reasons ...
It is stupid to say that people who want to have their children learn in a Christian environment should be locked up and medicated. Christian schools are a disciplined environment. Troublemakers who won't reform are usually kicked out. Children are allowed to be disciplined.
Christians don't want their kids "learning" that there is no right or wrong and how to put condoms on bannanns.
No, I have only had sex with my wife.
Christian schools teach both the theory of evolution and the theory of creation. Public schools indoctrinate children into only one viewpoint.
Oh, here is an astrophysicist giving a lecture for Corribus. But he is a pastor too so I guess he will be rejected too.
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He was the first to start throwing around the word "lie." He has no arguments to advance and so is using the "smear your opponent" tactic.
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posted November 14, 2009 10:22 AM |
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Public schools indoctrinate children into only one viewpoint.
Mine didn't. Neither creationism nor evolution was ever taught in my school. They were never even mentioned.
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posted November 14, 2009 12:53 PM |
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If I may come with a question as well.
It's most of all specified for Elodin, but anyone is free to debate with me as well, if they wish.
What happens (at all future points of time) if you do not believe in God?
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posted November 14, 2009 05:39 PM |
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It's gonna be tough in my opinion to "be saved", unless of course you are good-natured by yourself, because otherwise you won't feel the need to repent and when the time comes it's gonna be tough for you to accept God's help. Not impossible but surely easier if you do it in steps (i.e if you repent, even in your own mind not with a priest).
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posted November 14, 2009 06:00 PM |
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OMG, thedeath's been hacked! (kidding!)
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posted November 14, 2009 06:23 PM |
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Regarding the evolution, creationism matter .... Have you seen the Penn & Teller show regarding Creationism ? Creationism seems to have very good arguments ...
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posted November 14, 2009 07:09 PM |
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Trinity Christian College
Part of the Mission:
(some words underlined by me)
The Reformed world view affirms the Biblical truths that creation is the work of God, that our world has fallen into sin, and that redemption is possible only through the gracious work of Christ. From these beliefs arise the convictions that those who teach and learn are called to be coworkers with Christ in subjecting all cultural activities to the reign of God, and that genuine education must involve the whole person as a thinking, feeling, and believing creature.
I am full of question marks for all those things underlined ...
Elodin, I am not saying that "people who want to have their children learn in a Christian environment should be locked up and medicated". I already made the statement twice; read it again.
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posted November 14, 2009 07:18 PM |
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And here we are
What You Will Really Learn at a Christian College
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You'll find the same type of majors you'd expect at most any college - from business and education to liberal arts and computer science, among other subjects - but just taught from a Christian perspective.
Go figure ...
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posted November 14, 2009 07:25 PM |
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Hey Dimis, I think many of the things you underline, they can practically define to fit into an acceptable view.
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Biblical truths
As they write biblical, it can be understood as it's something only seen true in the bible, and then they'll teach it to people, in that context it's a clear warning of what they stand for.
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creation is the work of God, that our world has fallen into sin
Also, just matters of definition, you can define God as the laws of nature, or something like that, and say it's due to these laws we're here, or you can define sin, as the common activity of everyday life.
This way it could be continued, e.g.
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believing creature.
In general, we cannot know anything with 100% certainity, before we do the actual measuring, but doing the measuring only tells about the result here and now, and gives a probability of future results, so all in all, you can say it's more a matter of believe. (I believe the rock will fall down, I believe in it so much, that I'd call it knowing, because it's happened so often, I'd say the likelyness of it happening is sufficient high).
Something about the text you quote however, is really disturbing in my view, this part:
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and that redemption is possible only through the gracious work of Christ.
I read that like: Do as we say, or you're doomed, or to say, a way of manipulating people. One thing is being an institution, where you learn people "biblical truths", but it's a lot worse in my opinion, when you actually manipulate people to do your command using these truhts, and it's no different than when a teacher takes advantages of his/hers students, for a demonstration, or something similar.
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posted November 14, 2009 07:45 PM |
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(I believe the rock will fall down, I believe in it so much, that I'd call it knowing, because it's happened so often, I'd say the likelyness of it happening is sufficient high).
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I read that like: Do as we say, or you're doomed, or to say, a way of manipulating people. One thing is being an institution, where you learn people "biblical truths", but it's a lot worse in my opinion, when you actually manipulate people to do your command using these truhts, and it's no different than when a teacher takes advantages of his/hers students, for a demonstration, or something similar.
Where did you get the idea that it meant to obey commands? It's only a guideline to show you how to be like Christ. If you refuse then of course, you probably don't like Christ. So why would he help you if you don't want him?
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posted November 14, 2009 07:58 PM |
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Guys, probability theory is taught in a probability theory course. Just so that you know.
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Guys, probability theory is taught in a probability theory course.
Don't be like that, he was answering your post, not going off topic.
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posted November 14, 2009 08:55 PM |
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Christian schools teach both the theory of evolution and the theory of creation. Public schools indoctrinate children into only one viewpoint.
This is a bit like "how many mistakes do you find in the picture?", don't anybody think?
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