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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: WCL: Chaos sub-tournament (september 2009)
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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 07, 2009 01:42 PM
Edited by Valeriy at 10:35, 31 Jul 2017.

WCL: Chaos sub-tournament (september 2009)

ANNOUNCEMENT
Russian players (most from Heroes.by) are organizing sub-tournament by Chaos rules and invite good WCL players to participate in it!

Game version: SOD + Chaos patch
Map: 8mm6 XL+under (recommended, but if both players agree, they may play 6LM10 or 8xm12 templates)
Other settings: Human or Computer players = 8; all team = 0; water = none; Monster= strong; Diff = 200%. Time Limit = 6 min

Sortition results + win bets from Forrest:
1) Javdet - Napalm 2,55-1,48
2) Fank - Roland from Gilead 2,1-1,70
3) Tenchu - Rusya 1,80-1,95
4) besha - Stinger 5,0-1,13
5) Piterius - AlexTheGreat 3,3-1,33
6) ProtosArchon - Markon 1,90-1,85
7) phenix3 - Mike_SPb 3,30-1,33
8) Single67 - Samurai 2,70-1,43

Round 1:
1) Javdet - Napalm
2) Fank - Roland from Gilead  SAVES FROM GAME
3) Tenchu - Rusya
4) besha - Stinger
5) Piterius - AlexTheGreat
6) ProtosArchon - Markon
7) phenix3 - Mike_SPb
8) Single67 - Samurai

Round 2: - Winners
9) Roland from Gilead - Stinger
10) Samurai - AlexTheGreat 3.00 - 1.35SAVES FROM GAME
11) PReDs (substitution of Javdet)- Rusya
12) Mike_SPb - Markon 1.70-2.10

Round 2: - Losers
16) PReDs (substitution of Besha) - Fank
17) Piterius - Single67 1.65-2.25
18) Tenchu - Napalm
19) ProtosArchon - phenix3 SAVES FROM GAME

Round 3: - Winners
13) Mike_SPb - Rusya
14) Roland from Gilead - AlexTheGreat

Round 3: - Losers
20) GladiatorBG - PReDs
21) Markon - Temporary player (Roland from Gilead)
22) Javdet - Single67
23) ProtosArchon - Napalm

Final: - Winners
15) Mike_SPb - AlexTheGreat

Round 4: - Losers
24) Napalm - Roland from Gilead
25) PReDs - Rusya
26) Markon - Javdet

red are winners

Chaos Rules:

- must Fight misplaced guards (FMG) rule: misplaced guards MUST be fought for Prisons, Pandora's Box, and Artefacts only. You can pick them without fight only if you use DD or Fly. Allowed to enter another zones without fighting.
- no Carto (you can''t visit Cartographer)
- no Hillfort (you can''t upgrade creatures in Hillfort)
- no Diplo (you can''t take, level up Diplomacy skill and join monsters.)
- no Joiners (you can''t join wandering monsters even without Diplomacy skill)
- no Scrolls Level 4 - 5 (you can''t use magic scrolls with spells Level 4 - 5). This rule is working till end of month 2 only, then all scrolls are allowed.
- no Cloak of the Undead King combo

Starting town selection:
Conflux town is not allowed as starting. Towns, available for selection are reduced by 1 by each player, turn-by-turn. Not allowed to pick same town types. When 3 towns are left, player will select town which he will play and his opponent will select from rest 2 towns. Player, who selects from 2 towns, will select color (only reb or blue).
Changing of starting hero or bonus (after first map generation) is allowed only with approval from opponent.

Restarts:
Each player may ask for restart within 3 own turns in following cases:
1) in case of block (all ways are blocked and no free chest is available)
2) Wood or Ore mines are blocked by level 3 monsters or level 2 shooters
3) if no Fort from start or several towns from start
4) starting hero is not level 1
5) 1 time without reason
6) [EDIT] if players meet by day 9. However, players may agree to continue game if both are agree. "Meeting" means only the following: one player has attacked another.
In cases 3) and 4) restart in mandatory.

DRAW CONDITIONS:
if battle ends in a draw - then attacking player must flee

Conflux:
not allowed to build Grail there and buy level 6 and level 7 army. You are not allowed to buy Conflux creatures of level 6 and level 7 in Refugee Camps as well.

BUGS:
not allowed to view enemy hero. Not allowed to sell artifacts above their price. Not allowed to open map in Editor. Not allowed to make Ghost heroes.

Chaos patch description:
- Necromancy, Diplomacy, Navigation are removed, heroes with these starting skills have second skill advanced instead; Isra, Vidomina have advanced Wisdom.
- Solmyr, Aislinn, Thant, Alamar, Jeddite, Deemer and Gem have Magic Arrow instead of their standard spells.
- Ciele doesn't have bonus for Magic Arrow
- Sir Mullich doesn't have speed bonus
- Spells Summon boat, Scuttle boat, Water walk are removed
- Artifacts that increase movement on Water, Boots of Levitation and necro-artifacts are removed
- Logistics/Armorer/Offence specialists have 3% per level bonus instead of 5%
- Inferno and Stronghold heroes come with +5 more level 1 creatures from start
- Players get +2500 gold from start on Impossible diff.
- Phoenixes have speed 11/17, doesn't have Fire immunity and their growth is 2 per week
Link for download Chaos patch

Registration is closed

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black_knight
black_knight


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posted September 07, 2009 04:40 PM

How with time? When start, what system, how much for one game?

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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 07, 2009 04:48 PM

start: planned in 1-2 weeks
system: double elimination
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arnenzo0
arnenzo0

Tavern Dweller
posted September 07, 2009 08:52 PM

SOD! Stinger is on a list! we all know whos going to participate here at first place hehe

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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 08, 2009 08:44 AM

not exactly SOD, but very similar version

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fank0
fank0


Known Hero
There are no limits
posted September 08, 2009 08:58 AM

I would like to participate
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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted September 08, 2009 07:00 PM

I would like to participate as well. However, i am worried about that chaos patch. Is it easy to switch back to SoD, like switching between SoD and TE, or i will need to install/uninstall Heroes before/after game?
And in rules description stands nothing for hit and run, red rush, cons and hives upgrade, reducing neutral monsters bug and ghost heroes bug. So i assume that all of them are allowed. Am i right?


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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 09, 2009 08:48 AM

Fank and Protos, please post your ICQ numbers as players and tourney organizers may contact with you.

Quote:
I would like to participate as well. However, i am worried about that chaos patch. Is it easy to switch back to SoD, like switching between SoD and TE, or i will need to install/uninstall Heroes before/after game?


As i see the process is the following:
1) you make full copy of homm3 folder
2) install Chaos-patch and play games
3) delete homm3 (do not uninstall!)
4) copy original homm3

Quote:

And in rules description stands nothing for hit and run, red rush, cons and hives upgrade, reducing neutral monsters bug and ghost heroes bug. So i assume that all of them are allowed. Am i right?


hit and run, red rush, cons and hives upgrade allowed.
ghost heroes bug not allowed (will edit rules).
reducing neutral monsters bug - will clarify.

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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted September 09, 2009 01:04 PM

funny rules

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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 09, 2009 02:52 PM

as far as 16 players already registered, now registration is closed.
very strong players are enrolled, so I hope to see interesting games. And special edition of good luck to Protos and Fank representing WCL .

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Protos
Protos


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posted September 09, 2009 05:26 PM

My ICQ is 552961569. Regarding the rules, i agree with liophy, they are really strange. To tell the truth, i don't like them. But, as long as they are the same for both players, i dont care much about them.
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fank0
fank0


Known Hero
There are no limits
posted September 09, 2009 05:34 PM
Edited by fank0 at 22:35, 14 Sep 2009.

My ICQ number is 596-531-216.

Rules are strange, i agree. Especially the FMG rule.
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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 09, 2009 06:51 PM

on 8mm6 there are a lot zones, misplaced guards are rare...not much benefit for player who enters even trez zone early
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phenix3
phenix3

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posted September 10, 2009 07:50 AM
Edited by phenix3 at 08:01, 10 Sep 2009.

I do not see anything strange in these rules  
Rules happen different the main thing that both players were in equal (rather *) conditions

* - depends on the created card

In SOD the balance between locks is strongly broken and also the big dependence on a card, in TE with initial resources balance the greatest of existing, but as an underside very fast start and more simple calculations...
With the given rules we have something an average... Features of old game on SOD with difficult start but with elimination of sharp disbalances CHAOS a patch and rules...

p.s. In the given tournament I one of the weakest links

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posted September 10, 2009 08:22 AM
Edited by phenix3 at 11:34, 20 Sep 2009.

Quote:
I would like to participate as well. However, i am worried about that chaos patch. Is it easy to switch back to SoD, like switching between SoD and TE, or i will need to install/uninstall Heroes before/after game?


The given patch changes nothing in SOD. It is created separate exe-fail in game with which we are started. If to be started not from it varies nothing - will be usual SOD (this patch - not installation TE)

And here if it will be necessary TE that is better make a copy of game and on a copy already to put TE patches.

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TheGladiatorBG
TheGladiatorBG

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posted September 10, 2009 11:00 AM

Eh... I just noticed that there is such a tournament. If there is still 1 more place or someone have trouble playing his games i am on for replace him  Anyway, Good Luck and Have Fun !

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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 10, 2009 03:57 PM

Tournament is starting from Monday, September 14.
Timeframes: 2 weeks for 1 round (double-elimination).
Sortition will happen today/tomorrow.

Quote:
Eh... I just noticed that there is such a tournament. If there is still 1 more place or someone have trouble playing his games i am on for replace him

This is not the last tournament Will will keep you in mind, if someone will be out

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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted September 11, 2009 07:24 AM

I've posted Sortition results + win bets from Forrest into first post.
First player in pair selects what he prefers - town or color, further town elimination happen based on this selection.

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Casihasi


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posted September 19, 2009 01:40 AM

Quote:

Chaos patch description:
- Necromancy, Diplomacy, Navigation are removed, heroes with these starting skills have second skill advanced instead; Isra, Vidomina have advanced Wisdom.
- Solmyr, Aislinn, Thant, Alamar, Jeddite, Deemer and Gem have Magic Arrow instead of their standard spells.
- Ciele doesn't have bonus for Magic Arrow
- Sir Mullich doesn't have speed bonus
- Spells Summon boat, Scuttle boat, Water walk are removed
- Artifacts that increase movement on Water, Boots of Levitation and necro-artifacts are removed
- Logistics/Armorer/Offence specialists have 3% per level bonus instead of 5%
- Inferno and Stronghold heroes come with +5 more level 1 creatures from start
- Players get +2500 gold from start on Impossible diff.
- Phoenixes have speed 11/17, doesn't have Fire immunity and their growth is 2 per week
Link for download Chaos patch




LOL, but they still play h3? That is some funny snow...those people are paranoid, they play random maps and think they can make games balanced.

Ciele takes the cake, a magic hero gets nerfed -.- Really made me lol in real life

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fank0
fank0


Known Hero
There are no limits
posted September 19, 2009 06:53 AM




LOL, but they still play h3? That is some funny snow...those people are paranoid, they play random maps and think they can make games balanced.

Ciele takes the cake, a magic hero gets nerfed -.- Really made me lol in real life


Why don't you just shut the snow up ?

How do you think, can you do that, hm ?
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