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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted February 15, 2010 08:45 AM

full random on SOD??? funny. also, which advantage will Blue player have? atm Blue has town choice out of 3 towns and advantage at restarts.
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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted February 15, 2010 09:16 AM

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full random on SOD??? funny. also, which advantage will Blue player have? atm Blue has town choice out of 3 towns and advantage at restarts.

So what if full random? You SAG maybe playing to much one town
Maybe you need to see how Maretti playing Inferno for example

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SAG
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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted February 15, 2010 09:36 AM

i know, Inferno can be good on Jebus. However I think that on full random (SOD) - Dungeon, Rampart, Tower are definitely outsiders...
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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted February 15, 2010 09:42 AM

i though our template is Balance. Jebus its the other thing...

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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted February 15, 2010 09:45 AM

To be honest, i played only 5 or 6 games with town selection by elimination. The rest are full random or straight town pick. As far as i know, most team members play full random in their games so why abandon that now?


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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted February 15, 2010 10:04 AM

ok...full random or
town pick (if both agree)
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sachelos
sachelos


Known Hero
posted February 17, 2010 06:31 AM
Edited by sachelos at 06:34, 17 Feb 2010.

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i know, Inferno can be good on Jebus. However I think that on full random (SOD) - Dungeon, Rampart, Tower are definitely outsiders...


Tower - just remembered a game vs Maretti 1 year ago...not that outsider town for jebus..he did it 124 if i recall right and kicked my arse big time, couldnt belive it!
Dungeon - i have a save vs. Midnight Scholar (saved it 2 times already, game is going on for about 3 weeks now lol) in which he is with Dungeon (we start all random) and got Crag, i'm Rampart and got Taz. Dont know for sure, as the game isnt finished yet but i guess he went to middle around 123/124. What about that?!? We already met one time (134 i guess) he fleed, now its already week 4 and i got problems with his implosion lol..hope to finish it soon..
Well...maybe litte/more luck involved in this situation.
Conclusion...in hands of Maretti no town is outsider on jebus

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uruk-hai
uruk-hai


Adventuring Hero
posted February 18, 2010 02:34 AM
Edited by uruk-hai at 02:36, 18 Feb 2010.

Replace me with paladin or someone else, I'm having net problems. Plus I don't think I'm good enough to represent WCL gl guys.

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uruk-hai
uruk-hai


Adventuring Hero
posted February 19, 2010 01:10 AM

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Replace me with paladin or someone else, I'm having net problems. Plus I don't think I'm good enough to represent WCL gl guys.


Apologies for this, got my net fixed fast I still don't think I'm good enough. If your looking for best wcl players then I'm out. If just players then I'm glad to play

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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted March 10, 2010 12:14 AM

Knock, knock! March here! Post us some news, SAG!

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 10, 2010 08:46 AM

Lord of TajMahal joined WCL SOD team instead of me. I think that he plays better.

WCL domestic SOD rules:
0) Template BALANCE
1) Without cheats; forbidden to use programs that are giving advantage to one player and program showing luck/moral and skill tree.
2) No ghost heroes.
3) Forbidden to look map or saves till game is finished.
4) Forbidden to start with Necro/Flux towns and build creature dwellings lev3-7 there.
5) Forbidden to join monsters, forbidden to select Diplo at level-up as new skill, forbidden to level-up Diplo. If all skills are on expert level and Diplo is the last - it's allowed to make it expert.
6) No scrolls level4-5.
7) No grail
8) No hillfort/carto
9) No upgrade of cons/hives
10) No DD Fly Wings.
11) Restarts: If someone has an exstremely bad map, for example heavy presents of mountains or is badly blocked he is allowed a restart within 3 own turns. Or if by random town selection he gets only weak heroes and a bad map. Opponent may check if restart conditions were adequate and if he disagree, then decision is made by third-party judge. If judge decides that there was no adequate reason for restart, then player who has asked for such restart will get automatic loss. If third-party judge or judge from team of opponent is online and ready to help, then players may consult with them while game goes. Dirt road restart is mandatory.
12) No hit-n-run:
Fleeing or surrendering from combat is not allowed in the first round if you have cast offensive magic. Does not matter if you attacker or defender.
13) Selling arts above the price is forbidden
14) DRAW CONDITION: if battle ends in a draw - then attacking player must flee
15) Players must always restart if starting hero is not Level 1. Players must check hero level on day 1.
16) - must Fight misplaced guards (FMG) rule:
"Misplaced guard" is a guard (monster) that is not guarding proper map object - this is error of random map generator. On Random Maps, ALL misplaced guards MUST be fought (this means you may not walk around a creature in order to pick up or visit any object as well as you can not walk past the guards for another zone). In case there are multiple misplaced guards for example at the middle break, you must fight "1" of the stacks (any). Also, you may not enter another zone if there is definitely some template error (like misplaced mountain or road or misplaced mountain or other object that allows you to pass without fighting proper guard).
Guards near resource mines are considered to guard only mine itself - you may pick up resources near mine without fighting guard.
17) TOWN, HERO, BONUS SELECTION:
full random. If BOTH players agree, they may pick all.
18) Combo arts allowed, except Undead King combo
19) Disconnections:
If disconnection happens, then player makes turn till end of his turn or till moment when he should attack opponent. If disconnection happens at battle, then players do same turns as before disconnection, as accurate as possible.
Map settings:
- L size, no under
- 130% diff
- 2 players, no teams
- no water
- monsters strong
- time: unlimited
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SAG
SAG


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Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 10, 2010 11:09 AM

folks, we need VERY CLEAR restart rules. Russians say that when they played vs Polish players there were a lot disagreements.
e.g. Ufretin, Pikedram, blocked ore/wood or whatever...make your best to define rule.
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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted March 10, 2010 11:44 AM

I hope this will be clear enough.

Restart only in following cases:

- starting hero not lvl 1
- dirt roads
- desert zone guards blocking your way to any of the following: 2nd town, wood or ore mine, adjacent zone
- adjacent zone guards blocking your way to any of the following: 2nd town, wood or ore mine
- no road betewen main and 2nd town in starting area

That's all, folks. Since we will play Balance, hard blocks in starting area are not possible. Players who will play this tourney should be able to handle all blocks in start zone pretty easy.

Also, i see that following is not added to h&r rule: "Futhermore you are not allowed to sacrifice any hero with the purpose of reducing the opponents main army". Please do it, cos i have a filling if u dont, it will cause alot of disputes.

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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted March 10, 2010 11:47 AM

Btw SAG, if you need any help to set up matches, remember one thing. I have more free time than you. Probably because i am not married.

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SAG
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Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 10, 2010 12:51 PM
Edited by SAG at 12:57, 10 Mar 2010.

lots of GE in front of town guarding Obelisk+minor art and blocking all the way - is fine?

sacrificing example: i have 20 pikes and magic arrow that makes 30 damage, attacking your main hero (with few upg pegas only). few means 4 pegas, i was able to kill 3 pegas but you killed all my pikes. That means that i sacrificed hero (i lost battle) and reduced your army. Means, I broke the rule and you get automatic win according to your definition.

sacrificing example: main battle, very hard fight we lost almost everything. You killed my main and left almost without troops. But i have reserve in town. However according to your definition - if I lost main battle, then I lost the game

Quote:
reducing the opponents main army

reducing 1 creature is breaking rule?
main army - what is the definition?
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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted March 10, 2010 12:59 PM
Edited by Protos at 18:07, 10 Mar 2010.

Lots of grand elves guarding obelisk and minor artie? Yep, it is fine. I call that bad luck. Same as you get Piquedram in tavern.
Or you get poor starting zone. Those things just happens.

Regarding example with pikes, rule addon should be read more carefully. There says: opponents main army. If opponents main army are 4 pegasus, he probably lost game already.

Personally, i am for more variety in rules. I would give an opponent restart if his way is blocked by horde master gremlins, if he asks. But i think we lost too many time already and if Russians want clear rules, there is no need to complicate them now.

Edit:

Regarding 2nd example with main battle, ofcourse that you did not lost game after battle. You are just not allowed after that to reduce remaining army with 1 or more scouts in order to be able kill oponent later.

Main army? I would say some percentage of all buyed troops on single hero. 50%, 60% or else, u decide.

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tob
tob


Hired Hero
posted March 10, 2010 01:17 PM

Why is Paladin H3 ignored for this tournament? no offense. He seems pretty good on stats at wcl's site against experienced players (allthough he has'nt played a lot in WCL).

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Protos
Protos


Known Hero
posted March 10, 2010 01:24 PM

That is a really good question. He expressed willingness to play on several occasions, but he got no response at all.

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uruk-hai
uruk-hai


Adventuring Hero
posted March 10, 2010 03:05 PM

SAG, please replace paladin with me as I'm hardly finding time to play these days and I have to get my PC fixed. gl all

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 10, 2010 04:07 PM

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Why is Paladin H3 ignored for this tournament? no offense.

well 2 reasons:
1) just i never saw him online at gameranger
2) Dread1 was faster to register

Now, as Dread has not much time then we can substitute him with Paladin. I've edited first post
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