Minion said:

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I thought it was your fav match up?

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Minion said:

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I think bio needs to be nerfed and/or mech buffed.

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Doomforge said:

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wasn't the MMM ball THE plague of the game even in the early stages? I recall that even with beta, MMM was retardedly good and a reason I dumped the game entirely (I hate controling a massive group of small units in RTS games).

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Minion said:

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But imho the DRG-Innovation games were entertaining as hell anyways! And also Hyvaa-Innovation game was entertaining. But when you kill gazillion workers/mules and tech to your T3 units and still can't defeat Terran in cost effectiveness - well that just sucks.

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Vindicator said:

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So how would you change the balance of the game to get rid of this?

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Zenofex said:

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In StarCraft 1 / Brood War if Zerg is allowed to reach Defiler/Ultralisk stage and exploit it, it would usually trample Terran. Of course it all depends on quantities and positioning (tanks having ridiculous range and all) but a relatively pitched battle will always end bad for the Terran.

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Let's give a little example of oldskool TvZ.

Terran would defensively take his natural while Zerg went up to 3 base, there may or may not be a bunker rush involved, but these were easily held off with 1-3 sunken colonies (spine crawlers) so no biggie, just keeping Zerg honest really.

Once Terran has 3 barracks, he begins pumping out marines and medics while Zerg has rushed for his spire. Turrets were very cheap, but not incredibly effective, this means that 2-3 SCVs were running all over the Terran base building a ring of turrets while the M&Ms pushed out on the map. With no banelings, Zerglings died instantly, but Mutas could abuse their range and speed much better in BW, so marines were constantly getting picked off while they moved across the map. If things work well for the Zerg, he pops out 2 Lurkers RIGHT as the Terran is approaching his 3rd, this holds off the push.

The Terran would usually back up, make a few dropships, and go into 7marine, 1medic or just 8 marine drops around the map, dodging the muta swarm, and adding tanks and Science Vessels to his army. Meanwhile, Zerg put scourge in strategic locations to catch the drops, moves his lurkers around so Terran doesn't know where they're at, and tries to poke in to the Terrans base with his muta swarm. Irradiate (a science vessel ability) was a 1-shot kill to Lurkers, while 2 scourge would kill a science vessel, of course, marines can kill the scourge, and the lurkers kill marines, so you have these constant micro wars across the middle of the map while drop ships and mutas are flying all around the edges. This is about the time Zerg would hit hive. Meanwhile, the Terran is finishing up 3/3 and his marine/medic/tank/sci vessel army is hitting critical mass. Terran has 1 last major push to go before defilerss and ultralisks hit the field. This is where the majority of pro games would end, otherwise, Zerg gets their major T3 units and rampages across the map.

While this may sound somewhat similar to SC2, it was completely different in the sense that the fight didn't start at the edge of Zergs base, it started as soon as Terrans marines left HIS base, micro wars were constant and both sides had tricks to decimate the other side, if terrans army ever got wiped out, the game was basically over, while Zerg couldn't really wipe the army out, but it was REALLY hard for terran to push forward. Even the OP defiler/ultra/ling combo was awesome to watch. Dark Swarms would puff up everywhere and ultras, lings, and whatever lurkers Z had left over would rush forward. Terran would usually start including Firebats at this point to try to hold off the ultras, and they were decent, but it was a losing fight over time.

God, BW was so awesome to watch...

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