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Miliowilix
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posted September 02, 2010 10:27 AM |
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2D is great, Homm 3 is still the best game ever, but this is 2010. so snow off. Now what really matters:
-SITTING DRAGONS!
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whiterider
Known Hero
death walks with me
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posted September 02, 2010 10:31 AM |
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I think most people who wanted a HoMM 6 in 2D rather than 3D (like me for exemple), were just disapointed by how the 3D was used in HoMM5. Am sure if well used, 3D should be much better than 2D.
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cookie
Adventuring Hero
*cookie magic*
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posted September 02, 2010 04:58 PM |
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3D is the way to go!!! Stop catering old people. It is time to care about younger generations who want flashier graphic. 
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titanmanus
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 17, 2011 11:38 PM |
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Heroes III forever! The others sucks...
Will be better 2D for Homm6!!
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creepiestdani
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 17, 2011 11:42 PM |
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I'm also for 2D. 3D doesn't really add anything except graphics, which for me are not that important. Plus, were it 2D more people would be able to play it.
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Minnakht
Known Hero
Green eyed monster
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posted March 17, 2011 11:57 PM |
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Eh. I personally feel that it shouldn't be done... first thing, it'll look dissonant nowadays, second thing, 3D adds depth (olololo), third thing, it'll feel like treading on 3DO's grave...
Well, it COULD be an isometric view, but if 3D models are easier to animate, then it wouldn't be so much of a difference.
...no, really. Let's stop being stuck in the past.
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted March 18, 2011 07:13 AM |
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Edited by Kenishi at 07:16, 18 Mar 2011.
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So to start off no I don't think H6 should be 2D, not that it would be a step backward but I just don't like it when I had a 486SX H2 ruled than my P75 H3 ruled and on P166MX, but today I would have the platform to play in a more enriched environment(3D)and I shouldn't ?! so no 3D is better for me and also wouldn't be profitable nowadays, because graphics has become a rating for games and also draws new blood to the franchise and that means money to Ubi.
Second H5 wasn't the most successful move from a 2D to 3D because of the graphics adopted which ware cartoonis while it works for games like Torchlight, where this style was used to reduce game requirements, for H5 was just wrong the game moved bad A.I. was bad and requirements war pretty high specs which for me translated in poor optimization.
And also a 2D game better than what Disciples 2 poled off I haven't seen and don't think it can be achieved, but than again a should never say never.
Now if they would remake a game like H3 for HD environment I wouldn't wont it to be but in 2D.
P.S. If I remember well the units in H3 ware modeled in 3D StudioMax6 in 3D and ware converted in 2D sprites ... so I guess working in 3D meant it was easier.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted March 18, 2011 08:46 AM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 08:47, 18 Mar 2011.
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Speaking of dead horses!
Who re-animated This thread?! AND WHY?!?
Ah Titan's trolling us.
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted March 18, 2011 08:55 AM |
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Don't care. I'm absolutely fine with a 2D TBS as this is not a genre which is famous for its eye-candies. If the gameplay is good, I can forgive almost any visual inadequacies. I don't mind it to be 3D though, as long as it is not "3D for the sake of being 3D".
As for 2D being "the past" because "every developer is working with 3D" and "it's 2011 already" - that's just kids' stuff.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 18, 2011 09:23 AM |
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Didn't they convert 3D-models to 2D sprites in H3, akin to the method utilized in the making of Donkey Kong Country? Just curious.
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Wckey
Famous Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 09:39 AM |
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Yes, HOMM3 was a great game, but was it because of the graphics? If not, then what's the problem with 3d? If yes, how can you say that graphics aren't important?
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creepiestdani
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 11:24 AM |
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Eh. I personally feel that it shouldn't be done... first thing, it'll look dissonant nowadays, second thing, 3D adds depth (olololo), third thing, it'll feel like treading on 3DO's grave...
Saying that the game "needs" to be 2D, as the title of this thread reads, is naive. It's not a question of whether it "should" be done either. It's just a statement of preference. I for one would like it to be 2D, but I very well realize others may not share my preferences.
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3D adds depth
What kind of "depth" are we talking about?
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Well, it COULD be an isometric view, but if 3D models are easier to animate, then it wouldn't be so much of a difference.
By 2D I'm referring to 2D sprites, be they entirely hand-drawn or converted from 3D. The idea is to not need a graphical accelerator card to play it.
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Didn't they convert 3D-models to 2D sprites in H3, akin to the method utilized in the making of Donkey Kong Country?
Yes, they did.
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And also a 2D game better than what Disciples 2 poled off I haven't seen and don't think it can be achieved, but than again a should never say never.
Gameplay is one thing, graphics another. I'm only talking of certain kinds of strategy games here; for other game types the 3D actually contributes to the gameplay. Disciples 2 was a great game because of its gameplay, not because it was 2D. Had it been 3D it would have been just as great a game. Make Heroes 6 in 2D and, if you can tolerate the graphics, the gameplay remains unchanged.
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If the gameplay is good, I can forgive almost any visual inadequacies.
The same here.
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As for 2D being "the past" because "every developer is working with 3D" and "it's 2011 already" - that's just kids' stuff.
Totally agree.
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Yes, HOMM3 was a great game, but was it because of the graphics? If not, then what's the problem with 3d? If yes, how can you say that graphics aren't important?
For me it wasn't because of the graphics. I did not say graphics are not important; they are unimportant for me, and unessential when it comes to gameplay.
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 11:48 AM |
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If they made it 2D then many of the "mainstream" people will be antagonized and says H6 sucks outright just because of the non-3D graphics. Not good for business. Remember, Ubihole needs to make money too, not just to appease the fans. I think nowadays only indie games developers have the luxury to make games that target a very specific audience because they basically don't do it for the money.
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted March 18, 2011 11:49 AM |
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Edited by Kenishi at 11:57, 18 Mar 2011.
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Gameplay is one thing, graphics another. I'm only talking of certain kinds of strategy games here; for other game types the 3D actually contributes to the gameplay. Disciples 2 was a great game because of its gameplay, not because it was 2D. Had it been 3D it would have been just as great a game. Make Heroes 6 in 2D and, if you can tolerate the graphics, the gameplay remains unchanged.
When I talked about Disciples 2 was referring to graphic part only, never mentioned gameplay, don't see why you would mention gameplay I thought by posting in this thread it was self implied, I mean we are talking about preferences of 2D VS 3D for a game like Heroes.
Sorry If i was misleading.
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Don't know but for me Disciples 2 with its art direction and game art is one of best looking game in 2D and backed by a great gameplay and by the fact that most sow it as the only one capable to hold out to a franchise like Heroes of Might and Magic(ups sorry Might and Magic Heroes), well Disciples 3 came out and all went down the drain but you get the idea.
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creepiestdani
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 01:44 PM |
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This is an interesting discussion. There are two important aspects when it comes to games:
- gameplay
- graphics, that is, art direction and the overall game aesthetic
In my view, gameplay is the most important thing when it comes to games. The graphics only enhance the experience. In other words, the graphics cannot make a game good, only better. That is why you can't speak of the graphics without speaking of the gameplay, they necessarily go together.
2D/3D can influence the game on two levels:
- visual (graphics)
- functional (gameplay, as well as the computing power required to run the game)
For some games being 3D contributes to the gameplay, for others, it doesn't. I'd argue Disciples and the HoM&M games are in the latter category. Concerning graphics, many people equate "good graphics" with being 3D, as if 2D were something inherently backwards. This is nonsense. It's like comparing hand-drawn cartoons with the completely CGI-made variety. 3D is not inherently better simply by virtue of being 3D. In fact the very concern with which is "better" is meaningless. Viewed from the perspective of art direction, 2D and 3D are simply two different media of expression.
As I previously pointed out, the 3D in Heroes 6 does not contribute to the gameplay at all. It's just a matter of aesthetic preference in the end. Being 2D would mean more people would be able to play it, because not everyone is up to date with the latest hardware; however many people would dismiss it outright, regardless of how good the gameplay, simply because of not being 3D, which is sad.
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Don't know but for me Disciples 2 with its art direction and game art is one of best looking game in 2D and backed by a great gameplay and by the fact that most sow it as the only one capable to hold out to a franchise like Heroes of Might and Magic(ups sorry Might and Magic Heroes), well Disciples 3 came out and all went down the drain but you get the idea.
Disciples 2 was a great game due to both its gameplay and artistic direction, not because of being 2D. Disciples 3 was a failure because of both its gameplay and artistic direction (for me at least), not because of being 3D.
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Aatos
Adventuring Hero
Heroic Adventurer
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posted March 18, 2011 01:52 PM |
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Edited by Aatos at 13:53, 18 Mar 2011.
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I think that 3D is better then 2D, and the only reason why any game is 2D is because the company which made the game didn't have the technology, money, or time to make it 3D or the customers didn't have the PCs on which they could play 3D games.
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Avirosb
Promising
Legendary Hero
No longer on vacation
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posted March 18, 2011 01:58 PM |
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red_sparrow
Hired Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 02:48 PM |
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i voted that i wanted 3d, but after thinking about it, i frankly don't care as long as my comp can handle it...i've not even finished any of the h5 games because it took so long to load/stalled out ALL the time...and thats not to mention the graphics didnt work properly either...it really started to get on my nerves when i'd cast lightning and the stream would still be there after it struck...or when the upgraded hunters and that white circle was still there after they shot!
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mancubus
Adventuring Hero
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posted March 18, 2011 08:26 PM |
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Voted for 3D, looks better to me, especially when looking at Heroes 6.
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Kenishi
Famous Hero
passed out drunk in Tavern's
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posted March 18, 2011 08:26 PM |
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Edited by Kenishi at 20:27, 18 Mar 2011.
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Disciples 2 was a great game due to both its gameplay and artistic direction, not because of being 2D
Well to be extremely clear For me Disciples 2 was the apogee in 2D graphics that can be achieved for this sort of games no other game I've seen came even close to the art and it's presentation and most important to be able to bring to life the world called Nevandaar the misery and endless struggle of the factions in my imagination.
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In my view, gameplay is the most important thing when it comes to games
Ah not really depends, I read some ware that from the point of view of marketing that for American Continent pointing out great Graphics or next gen etc is a big money seller, for Europe is mixed but gameplay is more important and Asian market can't remember but something on the line of the both whit emphasis on graphics.
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Concerning graphics, many people equate "good graphics" with being 3D, as if 2D were something inherently backwards
Not necessarily, even for game developers creates different challenges, but 2D has a lot more limitations than 3D when creating a setting, maybe is true that beside the aesthetics factor 3D hasn't brought much to the Heroes games (the TBS) doesn't mean in H6 we won't see 3D environment used as game mechanic or integrate part of quest/event etc., but remaining to 2D would mean, for me, no evolution just drawing units in a new fashion so it won't look to similar to the previous game and would be a shame.
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3D is not inherently better simply by virtue of being 3D
That was true 10 years ago nowadays 3D games are also capable to present reach and artistically drawn environment and pleasing game models to a level, if not better, than appropriate to what 2D was able to in it's glory days.
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Being 2D would mean more people would be able to play it, because not everyone is up to date with the latest hardware; however many people would dismiss it outright, regardless of how good the gameplay, simply because of not being 3D, which is sad.
Aha not really an argument, if you are a PC gamer you will invest in PC dedicated for gaming and be able to play almost all upcoming games, now if you have a PC you use for net surfing and work and occasionally for gaming that its true a 2D environment could more viable without having to take drastic measures to upgrade your gear.
For the second part, I agree with you it's sad that wonderful games get a slow start or non at all just because are not 3D.
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