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SwampLord
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posted August 18, 2010 06:09 AM |
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I never really liked the cartoony Warcrafty HoMM V graphics, to be honest.
I don't think a 2D HoMM game could necessarily succeed, unfortunately, although I do believe it would be an improvement. Being able to have the more balanced and sensible hexes as opposed to squares would be nice.
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Lord_Immortal
Famous Hero
DoR Dev Team
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posted August 20, 2010 10:02 AM |
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Yes,H3's 2D is better but I don't care. The only graphical problem for H5 are the elevated cliffs,wich I hope they fix.
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serptico
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 21, 2010 02:26 PM |
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Games are no longer 2d (its a thing of the past)
Incase you haven't noticed, gaming companies aren't making 2d games anymore since a decade ago. Most computers now are fitted with the latest motherboards and graphics card even the low end computers can support a game based on 3d engines. It's based on market value and consumer demand. So no matter how much you ask for a 2d game, it's like asking them to go back in the dinosaur ages, or it's like screaming in a sound proof room hoping someone will hear you! ITS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN NOT NOW NOW EVER. Unless you woke up in a cryogenic tube from the past into the future, the 2d engine games are a thing of the past they dont make it anymore.
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Sebastian
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 21, 2010 11:28 PM |
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There are plenty of 2D games on consoles, check out the whole industry before making such a definitive statement.
In terms of dimensions, I say 3D, it's much more flexible.
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serptico
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 22, 2010 12:48 AM |
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There are plenty of 2D games on consoles, check out the whole industry before making such a definitive statement.
In terms of dimensions, I say 3D, it's much more flexible.
Yeah sure there are lots of 2d games already, they cost either 10 bucks or free. I have 2d games on my Iphone, your totally missing the point here. Were not talking about pac-man here, if someone is interested in 2d games its easy to find them.
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Sebastian
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posted August 22, 2010 01:35 AM |
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Incase you haven't noticed, gaming companies aren't making 2d games anymore since a decade ago... the 2d engine games are a thing of the past they dont make it anymore.
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Yeah sure there are lots of 2d games already, they cost either 10 bucks or free. I have 2d games on my Iphone, your totally missing the point here. Were not talking about pac-man here, if someone is interested in 2d games its easy to find them.
So they are making them, you are contradicting yourself.
There are in fact gaming companies who are making new 2D games and not just updating the old stuff. Xbox Live Arcade has plenty of those, for example Castle Crashers, Limbo, the upcoming Shank, all of which are not 'pac-man' games. Check out Puzzle Quest I & II, both of which are huge successes. Puzzle Quest 2 retails for $30.
Recently the 2D games have made a huge comeback: mobile, online. Companies do invest in 2D games thus contradicting your statement that companies don't make 2D games.
In any case, you should be more specific in your statements. If you were talking about triple A titles, you should have said so.
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00Draniki
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posted August 22, 2010 02:21 AM |
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There are in fact gaming companies who are making new 2D games and not just updating the old stuff. Xbox Live Arcade has plenty of those...
Yes! HoMM 6 Needs to be 2D, I want it very much too.
Isometric (Homm 4) or Homm3-like?
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mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted August 22, 2010 03:02 AM |
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Sebastian
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 22, 2010 03:51 AM |
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My argument was about the gaming industry and 2D in general. I personally like that Heroes 6 is in 3D, I just hope the gameplay is good and that the game is highly customizable in terms of options.
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JonsJons
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posted August 22, 2010 05:05 AM |
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I don't see anything wrong with a 3D heroes game, heroes V 3D animations were somewhat decent, beside, the game feels more lively in 3D in my opinion
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Miliowilix
Tavern Dweller
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posted August 22, 2010 10:30 AM |
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Dragons
This could seem totally irrelevant to some BUT:
I do not yet know how dragons look in Homm6 BUT I don't like how weak they look while flying in place in Homm5. They should be sitting/standing! Just look how mighty all the dragons look in Homm3 just cause they're sitting! (except for fairy dragon, he's a bugeyed douche) Or at least they should be on all four like Bone dragon from Homm5. So my wishlist consists out of one wish and that is:
-Sittin/standing dragons
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted August 22, 2010 11:21 AM |
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2D is over. As a matter of fact 3D is almost over. Anything else?...
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MagniBronzeb...
Adventuring Hero
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posted August 22, 2010 06:52 PM |
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And 2D graphics still means less job than 3D textured graphics for the game developers, so this also means more creatures, and other game items !
Ever wondered why there are so much mods of 3D games, while so few for 2D? And usually those 2D don't contain graphic additions. Yes, because 3D is much easier to produce than 2D, especially for animations and if the object being seen from more angles.
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There are in fact gaming companies who are making new 2D games and not just updating the old stuff. Xbox Live Arcade has plenty of those, for example Castle Crashers, Limbo, the upcoming Shank, all of which are not 'pac-man' games. Check out Puzzle Quest I & II, both of which are huge successes. Puzzle Quest 2 retails for $30.
Recently the 2D games have made a huge comeback: mobile, online. Companies do invest in 2D games thus contradicting your statement that companies don't make 2D games.
In any case, you should be more specific in your statements. If you were talking about triple A titles, you should have said so.
Those are simple games, usually for less powerful platforms (like mobiles), so of course 2D graphics is still useful there. Herus 6 it is supposed to be more epic game, 2D can be only some mobile version.
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Sebastian
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posted August 22, 2010 09:22 PM |
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Yes, because 3D is much easier to produce than 2D, especially for animations and if the object being seen from more angles.
3D is not much easier to produce, are you kidding. Most independent studios which are just starting out make 2D games, because they do not have the resources to make a 3D engine which looks good, or to license it. 3D is much more complicated, anyone with a bit of programming knowledge knows that. Animation might be the only one which could apply but even so, for realistic, fluid animations, nowadays big companies use motion capture and other nifty technologies.
Anyway, if they have a 3D engine already, it makes no sense to make Heroes 6 2D, unless as you stated, they make a mobile version.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted August 23, 2010 10:24 AM |
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Ever wondered why there are so much mods of 3D games, while so few for 2D?
Well I don't know about you but I've seen a gamut of mods for Starcraft, Age of Empires, Civilization etc. In general, the old games were meant to be played, not modded, so their programming is not mod-friendly, which is a much bigger barrier than simple graphics.
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And usually those 2D don't contain graphic additions. Yes, because 3D is much easier to produce than 2D, especially for animations and if the object being seen from more angles.
Easier to do, but the layout costs for a 3D modeller are pretty huge compared to a paint program and time.
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thundertitan
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posted August 24, 2010 09:25 AM |
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Meh, 3D can be made to act as 2D, just look at SF4. And that's probably the most we'll be able to get from them, because lets face it, unless it's a handheld game publishers are too scared to use 2D because people will think it's not a "real" game... consumers are as much the problem.
I for one can't wait until 3D maxes out and they'll actually have to sell (and buy) games based on gameplay alone... too bad i'll be 60 by then.
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Ever wondered why there are so much mods of 3D games, while so few for 2D?
Well I don't know about you but I've seen a gamut of mods for Starcraft, Age of Empires, Civilization etc. In general, the old games were meant to be played, not modded, so their programming is not mod-friendly, which is a much bigger barrier than simple graphics.
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And usually those 2D don't contain graphic additions. Yes, because 3D is much easier to produce than 2D, especially for animations and if the object being seen from more angles.
Easier to do, but the layout costs for a 3D modeller are pretty huge compared to a paint program and time.
Actually i think it's only easier once the model has been made, as with 2D if you want another angle you need to draw/render the whole thing again, while in 3D you can just use the same model because it's complete.
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lordriton
Known Hero
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posted August 24, 2010 11:00 PM |
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I for one can't wait until 3D maxes out and they'll actually have to sell (and buy) games based on gameplay alone... too bad i'll be 60 by then.
Dont worry, my uncle is 65 and he always beats me on some ski slalom game he has on his PC. I even downloaded it too to train some, but i still cannot beat him 
As for 2D games, i think it all depends on the graphic artists that design the game. A game like Heroes could be great in 2D too, i'm sure of that.
Some games just don't need 3D. Look at chess for exemple. Most good players just put the board in 2D, eventough the chess games have some great 3D views nowaday. In 2D you just have a better overview of the game.
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Kien
Hired Hero
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posted August 25, 2010 12:09 AM |
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All these posts about things being easier to see in 2d graphics is 100% matter of placement of objects and camera angle, and a little perspective stuff (could be fixed with orthographic projection...).
I don't have much against h5 being 3d, but I'm impressed how ugly pointless strange design all the town scenes had. Just because its 3d doesn't mean it has to be all about super high buildings. cliffs or floating rocks. Keep normal good looking stuff like the h3 town scenes but make them a 3d scene instead of a simple picture.
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lordriton
Known Hero
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posted August 25, 2010 10:56 AM |
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All these posts about things being easier to see in 2d graphics is 100% matter of placement of objects and camera angle, and a little perspective stuff (could be fixed with orthographic projection...).
I agree on that. I think most people who wanted a HoMM 6 in 2D rather than 3D (like me for exemple), were just disapointed by how the 3D was used in HoMM5. Am sure if well used, 3D should be much better than 2D.
Anyway, He who can do more can do less 
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rmcmurtry
Hired Hero
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posted September 02, 2010 08:28 AM |
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it needs to stay in 3d. 3d gives it the wow factor when looking at. I thick 2d is more procient with gameplay however it is too plain.
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