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Antal
Tavern Dweller
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posted June 10, 2002 04:23 PM |
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first all , i just kidding....or not 
but then player's hero stay nearest castle, town, tavern its mean two things - shackles or just mistake 
about h/r here told a lot , just repeat again - all know about that possible be4 game and need remember about it during all game as about possibles ipmlo, mass haste, slow orb inhibition and etc. It named STRATEGY. But luck a BIG part of heroes game , so atleast , try make minumum damage from opponents luck .
p.s. i dont play hg series, bc a much easy relics on it. Its my small starting strategy - kill a bit luck )
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 10, 2002 06:11 PM |
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i totally agree what motor said.. no matter the rules.. if you are a skilled player... and there are a lot of very very good players which play with rules.. and as immortal said .. I loss that game , which was "on my hand" cuz I said no rules.. and he my opponent camed imploding me with his only 1 archie got from a tent.. ( in might vs magic tourney) .. and sometimes.. when you losse like that u feel sorry that you havent said : no f***ing hit and run..
But .. yeah, you all say rules suck.. but sometimes.. it really depends with who you're playing with.. cuz might be a bad player.. whiich had a bit of luck.. got something with more speed and can make ure army vanish... and you lose cuz of that...
conclusion : I sh*t on HIT and RUN that is no honorable way to play ...
"what is has to come.. it will , no matter what you will do.."
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veni vidi vici
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Lews_Therin
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted June 10, 2002 09:09 PM |
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Wanderer, correct me if Iīm wrong, I donīt mean to be rude. But this sounds to me like you made a silly mistake by putting your hero there, your opponent showed his better skill, noticing and exploiting it, and then you started crying about it like a little baby. Thatīs what Heroes3 is about: Exploiting opponentsī mistakes. If you have the better troops and better stats, and you donīt manage to win, I think you should rather blame yourself. Or start to play chess. But in that case - in chess it also happens all the time, that good strategic play is wasted by a single tactical oversight.
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Motorschaaf
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
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posted June 10, 2002 10:16 PM |
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conclusion : I sh*t on HIT and RUN that is no honorable way to play ...
if u play no rules - its as honorable as any other move
if u play with "no hit and run" - rule : ur opponnet is an idiot
Motorschaaf
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 10, 2002 10:28 PM |
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correct motor.. and you lews .. you were rite i made a mistake but since i dont hit and run and he does.. where's the mistake?
nevermind.. eh, it will be a closed suubject..
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 11, 2002 01:17 AM |
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conclusion : I sh*t on HIT and RUN that is no honorable way to play ...
if u play no rules - its as honorable as any other move
if u play with "no hit and run" - rule : ur opponnet is an idiot
Motorschaaf
Wanderer how can that be right if you play no rules it's as honerable as any other move I agree with that since like I said i learn & stick to what I learn but :If you play no Hit & run your opponent is an idiot:
How is that right.
Why is your opponent an idiot?
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 11, 2002 02:10 AM |
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yes yes, if with no rules it is honorable...and still it is a move that would nake me avoid that player in the future, it is a game people, some i win some i loose, but i dont need to end the game with 1 arch and implo right, not giving the opponent even a chance to fight?
what game is that than, let me give you 1 example: luck wants that the player with implo and the fastests unit also has 2 matching towns, now the other has to attack...he sits like a spider there with his arch and implo, and now i want to hear you smart guys advices to avoid the hit and run lol...
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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Destroyer of Morons
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posted June 11, 2002 03:14 AM |
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Andi, I got a question: Have you played any game competetively other than Heroes III online? Because then you'd know that 'honor' and 'rules' do not exist. You use any means to win and whining about it gets only gets you flamed.
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 11, 2002 03:25 AM |
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i played enough games online, for example counterstrike, and camping there is about the same as hit and run in heroes...so come up with something better there is honor in every game, maybe not for some newbies or snowes...
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 11, 2002 03:35 AM |
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Q. Havent we done the hit and run thing before?
A. Yes but people cant get enough of tossing.
Q. After 3.5 yrs of HoMM, why do people still care about the way other people play?
A. Because maybe they have an inferiority complex and love to toss
Jeez just play your own way. I hate d/d, fly, diplo and hit and run. Does it make me a bad player? No I like em because I enjoy the game more that way. To all the no rules people who like to give sh1t to people who play with rules and vice versa, who really cares? Play how you will.
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 11, 2002 03:41 AM |
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of course its all about tossing, why you think i write that tosserroller 
and next game better dont get near me without shakles, or i hit and run the snow outta ya
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wanderer
Known Hero
Mercenary on Azure's Kingdom
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posted June 11, 2002 04:35 AM |
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conclusion : I sh*t on HIT and RUN that is no honorable way to play ...
if u play no rules - its as honorable as any other move
if u play with "no hit and run" - rule : ur opponnet is an idiot
Motorschaaf
Wanderer how can that be right if you play no rules it's as honerable as any other move I agree with that since like I said i learn & stick to what I learn but :If you play no Hit & run your opponent is an idiot:
How is that right.
Why is your opponent an idiot?
hmm we didnt said no hit and run because i always assumed that a very experienced player like he is ( i wont say the name) a very good player how he is , doesnt need that "reminder no hit and run" , figured out that only newbies and morons/lamers do it..
as for what you said rych.. you are right , you use everything that you can to win , ( it was a tournament "semi-final" and who loss "leaves") but.. you're not a lamer to do that..
i could have done it to.. i havent .. he did.. and after he did it , and won the game, he said to me that " hey, I feel sorry for doing that"
anyway , i didnt cryed.. I was just upset, maybe furious cuz he did it.. time passed , all is ok now..
but was not a nice thing to do that.. really.. since i didnt .. anyway...........
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Pure_Chaos
Bad-mannered
Known Hero
Destroyer of Morons
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posted June 11, 2002 08:49 AM |
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LOL
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i played enough games online, for example counterstrike, and camping there is about the same as hit and run in heroes...so come up with something better there is honor in every game, maybe not for some newbies or snowes...
You know that pathetic attempt at flaming somewhat lost its impact due to your total lack of punctuation. Still I have to congratulate you in the amount of thought you put into coming up with this gem. I think I'll go and feel bad now.
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 11, 2002 08:52 AM |
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Sorry to hear that Hydra you need a clinex
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted June 12, 2002 12:31 AM |
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Edited By: Ichon on 11 Jun 2002
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just cause you don't know better
Most people seem to like complaining about H&R because they didn't expect it or something. Why should they not expect it? It's the same amount of luck to either get earth book and AA from refugee camp and get a town with better troops and more gold or resources early on to build them up. If you are playing in a tournament especially- you better expect the other guy to try and win. Just a simple thing to know.
Antal explained it 100% correct, it's all about controlling the odds, there is alot of luck in H3, but if you are aware of it, and also how to deal with opponents luck as well as your own, that is the difference between winning alot and winning only 50% of the time.
Anyone with skill would know not to approach a town with your main army and leave it sitting in easy reach of enemy. That is asking for a H&R. So many ways to attack that town without doing it that way. The game is all about doing what the other guy didn't expect. In battles as much as what you do on the map position is important. When you forget this or don't know it you are punished. That's the way the game goes, get over it already.
Everyone gets hit by that sort of H&R once, but people with skill don't get hit again. They remember and avoid putting their main army up for such an easy H&R.
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted June 12, 2002 12:46 AM |
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you are so smart about tactics how to avoid hit and run ichon, but on the field its a different story, in game you dont know if you can afford not having your best troops on when getting near, you know nothing...i played a lot of games, and i know that it is snowing hard to stop, everyone that tells something different doesnt have the experience...
or why you think its such a discussed "tactic" and most hate it, if it was "so easy" to get around it?
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freakmebaby
Known Hero
Rude by nature
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posted June 12, 2002 12:59 AM |
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i didnt read the hole theard (2 lazy)
so i dont if this was said or not... (probbly not lol )
lets think why some players dont like any rules at ALL.
maby when they were litlle kids there momy had rules about bad time, buy junk food....etc... so maby this player had a hard child hood and dont like 2 take rules from any 1 any more since that what they had when they were litlle. (poor kids) ......
i think rules r needd.. (and i had a rogh child hood
b/c i dont think 3do made the game 100% i think that by haveing rules i takeing off more and more luck factors and making tha game a more fun and intesting game.
like i hate playing with impolison!!! (nobody plays with this rule) but i would love 2 take it off ..... b/c if 1 player gets it it makes the hole game non even and not fair b/c he got lucky and not b.c he a better player...
pepole that like rules and pepole that dont like rules has NOTHING 2 do with whos a better player just shows that diff pepole like diff type of game that they enjoy must .
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted June 12, 2002 02:45 AM |
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Mostly it's a gamble to get it but It's an offensive spell & I won many battles when my opponent had Implosion.
There are many ways to counter that skill & many ways to ward of thy spell.
A last battle strategy you should assume that your opponent has Implosion & take thy how do you say procaution.
I go for better offense & defense, then Implosion & would be better if you have expert earth or Air.
Mayhaps if you can occupy your opponent he wont have time for inplosion but trust me there are many ways to battle through imlosion, but sometimes you cant fend against it.
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Ichon
Responsible
Famous Hero
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posted June 13, 2002 12:51 AM |
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andi
well the theory isn't that different from the practice. I've said before that if someone is determined to H&R you you can't avoid it entirely. But you can certainly avoid putting yourself in a situation where you are asking for it. Also, usually you can make it so they can't H&R you more than once, if you can't handle 1 H&R then you shouldn't be approaching their castle, wait for them to try and attack you. I'm probably one of the most cautious players I know because I am always expecting H&R or other situations, I'll go toward your town and watch what you do, if you run right back and sit in it then I'll probe with scouts before my main hero gets near. Depending on that result I'll either turn around and try to get more advantage, or H&R you myself, or try something else.
Alot of people I've played won't play me again not because I H&R, but because I spent about 2 weeks running around making sure I could win final battle when all they wanted to do was fight it out. I won't enter fight unless I'm sure I can win. Of course I did lose a few times, but always to surprise of course and when I first started playing online to the normal situations. I can say I lost only once to those things like H&R(dif types, like someone once H&R me out of tavern with 3 dif heroes who had artifacts etc... but now I don't go near a tavern unless I end my turn with heroes parked in it so no one can recruit from there) except d-door got me a few times since if you don't get that spell or attack his town as soon as you see he has it you are dead. If you played some people you thought had long turns, mine are really long... cause I try and anticipate and prepare for everything. Also I chain huge amount... it's effective for final victory for me, but if you are one of those people like to prepare for final fight then battle it out, you probably wouldn't enjoy playing me. If I don't like what I see coming for me I'll run without a 2nd though. If there are 3-4 towns on the map and you don't have d-door or t-portal it's really hard to catch someone, especially if like I told you earlier I build more than 1 strong hero. So if you only have one... you can't hunt two with only one. I'll split army and take your towns avoiding final fight till I got enough advantage. Usually it doesn't come to that since with the amount I chain and I generally seem pretty lucky in spells and artifacts I'll usually be the one attacking and looking for final battle.
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splexx
Known Hero
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posted June 13, 2002 04:49 AM |
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paragraphs?
LOL,,plzzz..
Some paragraphs plzz..
My old eyes...
Just hit Enter once in awhile..plz..
I'll have to get glasses,,plz..
Or a 22" monitor...lmao..
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