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LizardWarrior
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posted September 26, 2010 09:34 PM |
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An non-classical idea for heroes towns
Personal I don't like heroes "classicism",some creatures must be kept and some must be left.In finally we will be bored by so many common and used creatures in the same towns,even if they change graphic.In classicism exist the next towns:human town,elves town,wizards town,orcs town,undeads town,underground town and in H5 dwarves town.In games with the same towns and minor changes in creatures start to be boring for the majority of players,except "classicists",which don't want to change anyhting in towns structures.
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Castle
1.Archer------>Crossbowman
2.Pikeman----->Halebardier
3.Squire------>Crusader
4.Priest------>Bishop
5.Skrishmer--->Muskeeter
6.Cavalier---->Paladin
7.Cannon------>Explosive Cannon
Neutral:
lvl1.Peasant
lvl7.Angel
Sylvan
1.Halfling----->Slinger
2.Wolf--------->Alfa Wolf
3.Ranger------->Sharpshooter
4.Giant Locoust>Mantis
5.Bear--------->Brune Bear
6.Young Treant->Treant
7.Pheonix------>Ancient Pheonix
Neutral:
lvl6.Unicorn
lvl6.Griffin
Academy
1.Energy Sphere>Elecrtic Sphere
2.Schoolar----->Student
3.Iron Golem--->Steel Golem
4.Mage--------->Archmage
5.Genie-------->Dijin
6.Thunder Bird->Lighting Bird
7.Giant-------->Titan
Neutral:
lvl2.Echnated Schimatar
lvl6.Naga
Asylum*
Description:A evil human town,where are hiding rouges,murderers and outcasts.Made from tents protected by wooden wall,Asylum have a chaotic society,the inhabitants live from money whoc they steal from other factions.Hero:Thief,Racial Skill:Robbing,native terrain: dirt.
1.Dog---------->Hound
2.Bandit------->Rougue
3.Corsair------>Pirate
4.Outcast------>Renegade
5.Raider------->Horse Archer
6.Manticore---->Chimera
7.Behemoth----->Rock Behemoth
Stronghold
1.Goblin------->Hobgoblin
2.Killer------->Marauder
3.Blade Thorwer>Axe Thorwer
4.Bloody Beast->Killer Beast
5.Troll-------->Stone Troll
6.Ogre--------->Smasher
7.Cyclop------->Savage Cyclop
Neutral:
lvl2.Harpy
Dungeon
Description:Now dungeon is populated by reptile creatures named Anguises.
1.Troglodyte----->Purple Troglodyte
2.Plated Lizard-->Armored Lizard
3.Anguis Warrior->Anguis Assasin
4.Giant Spider--->Death Spider
5.Raptor Rider--->Grim Rider
6.Hydra---------->Chaos Hydra
7.Red Dragon----->Black Dragon
Neutral:
lvl5.Anguis Captain
lvl6.Black Alsosaurus
Necropolis
Description:Egyptian theme necropolis.
1.Skeleton Archer-->Skeleton Sniper
2.Skeleton Warrior->Skeleton Veteran
3.Shade------------>Spectre
4.Mummy------------>Royal Mummy
5.Dead Chariot----->Bone Chariot
6.Rotten Scorpion-->Crypt Scorpion
7.Death Serpent---->Osiris' Cobra
Neutral:
lvl1.Zombie
lvl6.Death Knight
lvl6.Wraith
Inferno
1.Imp-------------->Familiar
2.Scubbus---------->Incubbus
3.Demon------------>Spiked Demon
4.Fire Soul-------->Evil Soul
5.Hell Hound------->Cerberus
6.Pit Spawn-------->Pit Oversser
7.Devil------------>Archdevil
Cula*
Description:Cula is a Romanian Manison.Cula is a romanian(my country ) mythologic faction.The faction consist in vampires,werewolves,forest withces and forest. people.
1.Bat-------------->Vampiric Bat
2.Ursitoare-------->Iele
3.Voinic----------->Haiduc
4.Baba Harca------->Baba Cloanta
5.Lychantrop------->Werewolf
6.Vampire---------->Vampire Count
7.Zmeu------------->Balaur
Peak*
Description:A ice mountation full of yetis and snow creatures which lives in cave and attack any stranger which want to invade their territory.
1.Frozen Insect--->Ice Insect
2.Hawk------------>Eagle
3.Cold Sorcer----->Ice Sorcer
4.Yeti------------>Yeti Leader
5.Polar Bear------>Ice Bear
6.Gurdian--------->Cold One
7.Ice Golem------->Crystal Golem
Savannah*
Description:A african tribal themed faction.The tribesmen live in a farming-hunting society.They tamed dangerous animals who can bring fear in enemies hearts.
1.Capucin--------->Babbon
2.Spearman-------->Hunter
3.Warrior--------->Headhunter
4.Medicineman----->Shaman
5.Lion------------>Sacred Lion
6.Rhino Rider----->Armored Rhino
7.Eliphant-------->Assault Eliphant
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Kien
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posted September 26, 2010 09:58 PM |
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Impressed I am actually.  Surely don't agree with all though. You really need some descriptions to define some really generic and vague names like rogue or renegade. Skirmisher tells me nothing. Not to mention the romanian stuff. Btw I think romanian stuff is way too unfamous to deserve being a faction. What the heck is a rock beast? You need to add descriptions of these names that says nothing. 
I like the idea of forest faction having phoenix, like in H4. The thunder bird could be in forest faction instead of wizard.
I like the idea of giant spider. Nothing special but upscaled spiders are always cool. But please skip dinosaur riders. I just hate the concept. 
I sure like the egypthian theme necropolis. I suspect you got it from Warhammer Fantasy but I wouldn't mind it in herus game.
I think the peak faction is good because it seems to be just a bunch of animals rather than a faction of intelligent creatures with it's armies waging war against other intelligent beings.
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Jiriki9
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posted September 27, 2010 06:33 AM |
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Hmmm, I dislike some things here, Liz. For example, bishop is an unsuitable upgrade for monk, both being on different paths of the clergy, or am I wrong?!? Musketeer only on level 3? And two gunpowder weapons in castle, one tier 7...and why ARCHangel and not just angel?
Sylvan is okay...but for academy: you dropped gargoyles, don't like that- Necropolis is okay for the egyptian theme. Inferno...succubus is far too low in their ranks! ... Cula I don't understand Asylum I donÄT know waht the units mean, names very general. Dungeon with lizards seems strange, but is creative. Now the ice faction...too many beasts by far for my taste.
@kien: thunderbird in forest makes no sense I think.
for the animal faction: exactly that is what I dislike...why should animals bunch together and such...
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alcibiades
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posted September 27, 2010 09:02 AM |
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Hmmm, I dislike some things here, Liz. For example, bishop is an unsuitable upgrade for monk, both being on different paths of the clergy, or am I wrong?!?
Yes, Monk would upgrade to Abbot. Priest would upgrade to Bishop.
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MattII
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posted September 27, 2010 07:35 PM |
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Wow, a non-classic idea that's so, classic. Come on, if you're going to go for non-classic can you at least make it look like you tried (Haven already has Archer, Pikeman, Squire Monk and Cavalier, and Sprite, Hunter and Druid are nothing new for Sylvan).
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LizardWarrior
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posted September 27, 2010 08:31 PM |
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I made some changes and add one new faction.I hope you will like.
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Jiriki9
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posted September 27, 2010 08:38 PM |
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ah Matt, as critical as we know and love you
@liazrd: but aprtly, I have to agre to him. You did less classical approaches up to now, as far as I know. And the unclassic factions you suggested are not really to my likening...what is savannah about?
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MattII
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posted September 27, 2010 09:01 PM |
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Well it's a little better now, but really, if you want to change the faction, you have to change the theme, so say give Haven a Roman/Greek theme and Sylvan a Celtic one, etc.
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mvassilev
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posted September 27, 2010 11:33 PM |
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Sounds mostly okay, except the Romanian town (really?) and a cannon being the Haven Lv. 7.
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Mike80D
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posted September 28, 2010 08:11 PM |
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For a first effort that is an awesome list of ideas for creatures & factions.
Oddly the only thing that stood out to me that I'd change would be student should upgrade to scholar.
If a homm game was made with these factions I think it'd be a lot of fun. You had a lot of creative units, and some of my favorites are:
-Alpha Wolf (could be very tactical with the right special ability)
-Bloody Beast
-Energy Sphere (reminds me of the KB unit you could roll around the battlefield)
-Giant Spider (could web flying units, similar to Magic The Gathering)
-Bone Chariot (this fits in perfectly with Necropolis)
-Balaur (I had to look this up. Very cool looking)
-Asylum, Savannah, and Peak factions are very creative and refreshing
Matt - I don't understand why you say you love to "theory-craft", yet completely bash most ideas I see on here. Yes, there are some redundancies in Lizard's post, but there's a ton of theory-creativity.
Great job LizardWarrior!
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MattII
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posted September 28, 2010 10:43 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 23:03, 28 Sep 2010.
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Matt - I don't understand why you say you love to "theory-craft", yet completely bash most ideas I see on here. Yes, there are some redundancies in Lizard's post, but there's a ton of theory-creativity.
Hey, it's the fact that he called these decidedly classic (in the case of Castle, Academy, Stronghold, Dungeon and Inferno) factions non-classic which got me, not the fact that he proposed them at all. There are some interesting choices there with Sylvan and Necropolis, and new faction can always be counted as interesting. There are some names there which seem to be either obscure (in the West at least, I presume they're commonly known in Romania and the surrounding countries), or mistranslated (is/are Anguis the same as Lizardman/Lizardmen), so perhaps a few words of description after each creature would be helpful, especially with Cula:
1. A bat, obviously.
2. I'm not sure, are these fairies?
3. Again, not sure, highwaymen?
4. Mothmen?
5. Werewolves obviously.
6. Vampires.
7. Hydra, Scylla?
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 01, 2010 10:34 PM |
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@MattIII:
1.Bat
2.Withces faeries
3.like Robin Hood and merry men
4.very old forest witches
5.Werewolf
6.Vampire
7.Three-headed dragon
@Mike80D:
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MattII
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posted October 01, 2010 10:44 PM |
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So who are the heroes going to be, vampires, werewolves, witches, bandits?
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 02, 2010 11:06 AM |
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Hero class:Voivode,heroes will be withces,humans and vampires.
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MattII
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posted October 02, 2010 11:08 AM |
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So witches are a different species to normal humans?
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 02, 2010 11:11 AM |
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yes,they're immortal
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MattII
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posted October 02, 2010 11:41 AM |
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So how does 'Immortal', and 'tier 4' go together?
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Jiriki9
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posted October 02, 2010 04:00 PM |
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immortal through time and disease, think he means^^
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LizardWarrior
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posted October 04, 2010 07:06 PM |
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immortal through time and disease, think he means^^
Jiriki9 is right,they can live for eternity,but they can be killed.
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Kien
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posted October 04, 2010 10:27 PM |
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Edited by Kien at 22:27, 04 Oct 2010.
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I thought witches was a label refering to a woman who practise magic specificly in a world where it's not the norm, not a word for a specific DNA pattern.
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