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mytheroes
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posted November 05, 2010 01:51 PM |
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Well, actually dual/multiple wield is not new to the HOMM series either. The Naga Queen from HIII wield multiple blades, did we found it weird back then? HV got many dual wielding units: golem, rhaksasa, blade dancer, blood fury, minotaur, shaman, berserker/brawler.
Personally, I don't really care about dual/multiple wield or any aesthetic feature.
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Ebonite
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 02:10 PM |
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Description From facebook
Seraph
Physically imposing and striking in their perfection, the Angels of the Light are Elrath's messengers – and shock troops – on the face of Ashan. They are taller than normal humans, far more beautiful, and project an aura of power and confidence. Seraphim, on the other hand, are smaller and more human-like in their appearance. They started to appear after the creation of the Falcon Empire. Their true origins remain a mystery, but their devotion to Elrath is total. In battle they wield the twin blades of Judgment and Mercy
The Celestial is the upgraded Seraph .
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Agent_00_BLeRD
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 02:44 PM |
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Two different colored swords clash with each other too much. Either of them would go well with the angel but they stand out when placed side by side. And not in a good way.
Perhaps a single sword that changes color from one to another when animated in game? Or one side of the sword being red, the other blue with a smooth transition in between? Or how about a double bladed sword, kind of like Darth Maul? :-P
And definitely lose the armor on the wing guards. Something mystical would be so much more palatable.
I can live with dual wield but it seems...I dunno...inappropriate for angels? They're supposed to be benevolent in image yet able to kick ass. A single bigger sword seems to fit the image better. I dunno. Maybe it's just me.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted November 05, 2010 03:08 PM |
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Well, actually dual/multiple wield is not new to the HOMM series either. The Naga Queen from HIII wield multiple blades, did we found it weird back then? HV got many dual wielding units: golem, rhaksasa, blade dancer, blood fury, minotaur, shaman, berserker/brawler.
Yeah, but it seems to out of character which is why it stands out so much.
Also some of your examples don't count.
The Naga's whole point with the multiple arms was multi-wielding.
Ditto for the Rakshasa.
Blood Furies use daggers which are not a full-sized weapon and thus immune to the trope.
Shamans are using fighting claws which are also not a full-sized weapon.
Ditto for the Berserker, Brawler and their knuckle dusters.
Justified cases are the Golem and Minotaur.
It doesn't seem weird on them due to inhuman strength being blatantly obvious, either visually or by "fantasy common sense".
A Justified case which shouldn't have existed in the first place is the Blade Dancer.
When it comes to raw physical strength it's pretty much an established standard that elves are frail and weak (which makes it odd for them to be archers) when compared to races such as dwarves, orcs or even just regular humans, elves favor agility, speed and grace.
Carrying around two swords their own size makes it impossible to take this unit seriously, and for that I hope they go and die in a ditch, all of them.
It's not so much the dual-wielding of two large weapons, as it is the Angel dual wielding two large weapons.
You see, when you give a character a single weapon and a free hand, it is a friendly and approachable character, you could imagine shaking hands with said character, or said character petting a puppy.
Stick a second weapon into the characters hand and you get rid of these elements and instead tack on a "level of badass", except people don't recognize the angel as such making this jarring.
I suspect people will grow to accept it though.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted November 05, 2010 03:18 PM |
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The Emperor's Light is my torch!
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Minion
Legendary Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 03:30 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 15:33, 05 Nov 2010.
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Seraphs are perhaps not that benevolent here  Just think about naming a sword "mercy". That is bad-ass 
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I also noticed the resemblance to Living Saint ^^
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Typhus-Null
Tavern Dweller
Typhus Reborn
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posted November 05, 2010 03:32 PM |
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It does sort of remind me of Warhammer 40K... Then again how different can angels look?
The duel wielding doesn't bother me too much, but the wing guards are very stupid looking. It guards like the last foot or so of their wings and leaves the other 95 percent vulnerable = not very practicale.
Over all not too bad a design but they look quite similar to the H5 angels, and i was hoping for something at least a little inventive.
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 03:43 PM |
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Yeah, but it seems to out of character which is why it stands out so much.
Also some of your examples don't count.
The Naga's whole point with the multiple arms was multi-wielding.
Ditto for the Rakshasa.
Blood Furies use daggers which are not a full-sized weapon and thus immune to the trope.
Shamans are using fighting claws which are also not a full-sized weapon.
Ditto for the Berserker, Brawler and their knuckle dusters.
I'm merely listing units who dual/multiple wield not arguing if they are out of place or not with whatever reason ppl can come up. Also, what does ditto means? A Pokemon? lol
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Carrying around two swords their own size makes it impossible to take this unit seriously, and for that I hope they go and die in a ditch, all of them.
Maybe. But if the swords are extremely lightweight, it's possible. Besides they're not that big compared to other sword/weapon I can think of and definitely not as big as their own size.
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It's not so much the dual-wielding of two large weapons, as it is the Angel dual wielding two large weapons.
You see, when you give a character a single weapon and a free hand, it is a friendly and approachable character, you could imagine shaking hands with said character, or said character petting a puppy.
Stick a second weapon into the characters hand and you get rid of these elements and instead tack on a "level of badass", except people don't recognize the angel as such making this jarring.
Hmm, there are a lot single weapon characters/units out there that are badass looking also. You really want to shake hand with the Executioner? I do agree though that dual/multiple wielding units/characters tend to look badass. Also, are there any difference between the Seraph/Celestial and Angel in Ashan? Because the description kind of make a distinction between them.
In my opinion, they already break the general perception that Angel are benevolent by making the Archangel General as the main antagonist.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted November 05, 2010 04:01 PM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 16:15, 05 Nov 2010.
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I'm merely listing units who dual/multiple wield not arguing if they are out of place or not with whatever reason ppl can come up. Also, what does ditto means? A Pokemon? lol
For starters, ditto, the word, means "likewise, the same as" it's common English and the pokemon in question was named after the word.
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Maybe. But if the swords are extremely lightweight, it's possible. Besides they're not that big compared to other sword/weapon I can think of and definitely not as big as their own size.
If the swords are supposed to be light weight, they wouldn't be that big, especially not that broad.
Also a light weight sword is likely to break making it an ineffectual weapon, not to mention weight is an important part of a swung weapon's destructive force, if it's about sharpness, a dagger or rapier is a much more sensible choice.
There is a reason why there is only a single known real world martial art that uses two equal sized, reasonably small swords.
Fantasy tends to cover this up with excessively buff character design, like the Minotaur who look like they could swing around people as clubs, but...
Having a skinny androgynous character wield two swords of that size is more then just jarring.
Edit: Feel free to handwave this as nitpicking.
But this is now horribly off topic, so I'll end it here.
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admira
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 04:02 PM |
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the upgraded and un-upgraded versions are too similar. The overall design is great, but not as "WOW" as the other one revealed (Pit Fiend --> Pit Lord). I got "WOW" feeling from them but not on this one. It is more like "OK".
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Alustor
Famous Hero
ooo da :)
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posted November 05, 2010 04:23 PM |
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Edited by Alustor at 16:23, 05 Nov 2010.
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the unupgraded version should have only one sword or smallers swords
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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 04:34 PM |
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If the swords are supposed to be light weight, they wouldn't be that big, especially not that broad.
Also a light weight sword is likely to break making it an ineffectual weapon, not to mention weight is an important part of a swung weapon's destructive force, if it's about sharpness, a dagger or rapier is a much more sensible choice.
I know it's off topic but I can't resist underlining some misconception you make. Size doesn't solely determine how heavy a thing is and can be highly deceiving, density is a more reliable quantity. A small marble can be really heavy if you made it out of a material with high density. Next, light weight does not mean more likely to break. Again, it depends on the type of material you use. Super strong lightweight materials exist in the real world and it's not unheard of in the fantasy world/setting either. And last time I know sword is about sharpness too, for cutting and slicing not pounding or hammering.
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MrDragon
Supreme Hero
Eats people with Ketchup
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posted November 05, 2010 04:45 PM |
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Edited by MrDragon at 17:56, 05 Nov 2010.
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I know it's off topic but I can't resist underlining some misconception you make. Size doesn't solely determine how heavy a thing is and can be highly deceiving, density is a more reliable quantity. A small marble can be really heavy if you made it out of a material with high density. Next, light weight does not mean more likely to break. Again, it depends on the type of material you use. Super strong lightweight materials exist in the real world and it's not unheard of in the fantasy world/setting either. And last time I know sword is about sharpness too, for cutting and slicing not pounding or hammering.
Whilst I didn't mention density, I am very much aware of it.
But density combined with volume is what makes an object heavy.
Swords are about both, daggers and rapiers are purely about slicing and piercing.
Axes and Swords combine the traits of a weapon with a cutting edge, and enough mass to drive this edge through the material it's designed to cut.
So my point is, the elf could have been using dual daggers like it's non-androgynous cave dwelling counterpart.
Instead it's got two over-sized machetes which due to their size are cumbersome and limit movement more then they make up for in destructive force.
Also having a light weapon be large is sort of an oxymoron, if the point of the weapon is having it be light weight yet functional, then why make it much larger then it has to be? that just makes it heavier again, counteracting the selection of a light material.
BUT WE REALLY HAVE TO STOP XD
Lets' continue this banter in PMs.
Edit: As for why I didn't PM this message?
Gotte protect my ego, it's enormous and annoying, but I love it anyway.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 04:49 PM |
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Looks to me like they're taking a leaf out of T. Pratchett's 'Unseen Academicals' namely the fact that a travelling priest has called his battle-axe 'Forgiveness' (and he happens to worship a monotheistic religion with certain similarities to Christianity).
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Kien
Hired Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 05:47 PM |
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Edited by Kien at 20:12, 05 Nov 2010.
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Resisting the temptation of retarded design must be hard these days in game development. For snow sake it's WORSE than the H5 design.
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seddy
Known Hero
Spinner of delicious cupcakes
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posted November 05, 2010 06:18 PM |
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the unupgraded version should have only one sword or smallers swords
The unupgraded version HAS smaller swords.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 07:52 PM |
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Only just, it's barely noticeable.
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radar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Castle/Haven player
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posted November 05, 2010 07:53 PM |
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I'd love to see Diablo 2 like angels.
I hope for a new, original ability not just standard ressurecting machine.
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Alustor
Famous Hero
ooo da :)
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posted November 05, 2010 08:38 PM |
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only the red sword it is a bit bigger but it s barely noticeable.
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Kien
Hired Hero
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posted November 05, 2010 09:07 PM |
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I'd love to see Diablo 2 like angels.
I hope for a new, original ability not just standard ressurecting machine.
I always thought the Diablo 2 angel things looked wrong because they look like a typical ghost or wraith in armor just colored gold. That black hole where the face is to be makes them look like a shiny evil ghost.
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