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posted January 12, 2011 12:59 PM |
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JollyJoker: If you are not going to do a effort for it, who will do it? I have seen this a few times since i started some minor dabbeling in floss projects, if you can't code and the bug is not mission critial: It won't be fixed for a really really long time. Unless you can find 10 people that confirms your bug, it won't be fixed.
Lets say somebody starts working towars a cause, the problem is as simple as that somebody has to start it, and it can't just be left dead because then it can do something it was never intended too.
And frankly, I can't see anything "weird" about the German green party, why are they special?
Remember: Most labour parties started out as superradical superleftwing work unions carving their way up towards poltical power.
As time: You are still not adressing the issue, the issue is the sheer number weight, not the influence or spread. Even if you hit a sweet spot and inspire an entire age group, the rest of the groups will still disagree because they already got a view.
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But yes, lets do it trough progssive slow change 
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posted January 12, 2011 01:43 PM |
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Note that Germany's foreign minister or Secretary of State from 1998 to 2005, Joschka Fischer, has a history of having thrown stones in demonstrations onto policemen.
He also has a history of making Germany participate in a war, specifically bombing operations, specifically depleted uranium bombing operations, for the first time since WW2.
How very green of him.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 12, 2011 03:10 PM |
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Completely off-topic, Bak, sorry.
The topic here, del_diablo, is, that the Green Party of Germany is an example for how things may be changed, given time. It's not impossible, but, like Mytical said, it's WORK and it takes time.
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posted January 12, 2011 04:18 PM |
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I don't think so. It seems more like a radical party getting less radical in some way, then a actual system change of some sort.
Of course change is possible, I am not saying it is not, but in most states except perhaps China and other states with a sort of dictatorship running it, change can be done properly and fast in contrast for waiting around another 4 years for re-election and praying that it works, so you won't have to fight another 4 years...
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posted January 12, 2011 04:30 PM |
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I must have slept through that, because the only real change that deserves the name has been taken place in the late Sovjet Union and their vassall states behind the iron curtain.
I repeat that democracy isn't made to change things by pushing a button or signing a paper, and that makes a lot of sense. Of course it has draw-backs as well. But complaining is definitely not the way to go, in no system.
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posted January 13, 2011 01:23 AM |
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Blaming gun policy? Or "no one was at fault"? No way. There is someone at fault: the shooter. He killed innocent people and wounded others, and he chose to do it. He is the only person who should be blamed.
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posted January 13, 2011 01:29 AM |
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You're welcome to blame him as you see fit and so is anyone, what I'm wondering is, does it really help the victims anything? Does it help the shooter anyway? Does it help the population in any way? Is it not just an emotional satisfying that is equivalent to start to masturbating in a court room?
My point is, what is the point of putting the blame? Of course putting blame and doing the best to help the involved and prevent any future similar events are connected, but not in the way I think the blame is been put in this thread. I think it's highly irrelevant what this guy have been reading, etc. after all, the only possible consequence of this in regard to avoid such a future situation, as I see it, would be to put a ban up, which I think is equivalent to judge a football club on the people you may meet in the bar cherring for said football club.
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posted January 13, 2011 03:28 PM |
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There's a subtle but important difference between assigning blame and determining the cause. Assigning blame really doesn't accomplish much except for the attainment of a collective feeling of satisfaction. Determining the cause(s), on the other hand -though certainly not a simple task - is much more important, as understanding the past can help us guide the future.
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posted January 25, 2011 06:40 PM |
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posted January 25, 2011 06:49 PM |
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posted January 27, 2011 11:46 AM |
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Edited by Shyranis at 13:59, 26 May 2011.
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He is saying that Palin is a symptom, a big one.
And there must be a disease for there to be a symptom.
The shooter's favorite writings are the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kamph. Obviously he was inspired by the extreme left, not by Palin. His actions have nothing at all to do with the Tea Party movement. The tea pary wrath is expressed through rhetoric and voting not through violence. No conservative candidate called for violence.
It is unfortunate the left wiing media has tried to tie the shooter to the right when in fact he is one of their own.
You forgot to mention Ayn Rand's book Brave New World We the Living. (Sorry, wrong book. My mistake.)
The man was interested in fostering revolution, not in left or right, but some media point to abusive language from populist speakers (which may have contributed, but certainly didn't cause it) and other news sources point to what he listed as the books he found most influential (while usually pointing out 2 obvious well known propaganda pieces but ignoring the lesser known ones. Also Mein Kampf was not exactly a left leaning book, it was German patriotic fluff with anti-jewish overtones.) Lots of people have read the communist manifesto, that doesn't make them communist. Heck, Glenn Beck has too. He's no communist. Simply reading these books doesn't mean anything.
He listed Plato's work "The Republic" as well.
His other favourites were all about dystopian governments choking their own people and the struggle to overcome said governments. "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," "Brave New World," "Animal Farm" and "Fahrenheit 451".
Palin and Fox News' incendiary rhetoric (revolution this, take aim that, reload this, takeover that) is not responsible for this man's stupid actions, despite that to a mentally insane person they sound like encouragement. He would have acted anyway I believe.
Other stations are also guilty of this.
The man is responsible for his actions, and he should pay for ending the life of 6 innocent people and wounding many more.
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Of course "scholars" on the left love to lie and say Nazis were right wing. But Nazi=Natinoal Socialist Pary. Socialists are left wing.
Then why is the pro-business low tax conservative party in Japan called the Liberal Democratic party?
Party names mean nothing.
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posted January 27, 2011 03:36 PM |
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You forgot to mention Ayn Rand's book Brave New World.
Aldous Huxley just turned in his grave.
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posted May 26, 2011 04:15 AM |
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And the mass murderer gets off the hook.
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TUCSON, Ariz. -- The man accused of wounding Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in a deadly rampage lowered his head to within inches of the courtroom table Wednesday. When he lifted it, he began yelling, angry and loud.
Federal marshals had to drag Jared Lee Loughner out of the packed federal courtroom. Minutes later, he was in a nearby room and, over a closed-circuit TV, could watch as U.S. District Judge Larry Burns declared him incompetent to stand trial.
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posted May 26, 2011 06:06 AM |
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Have I mentioned that I hate American law and government?
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posted May 26, 2011 09:36 AM |
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He does not exactly got of the hook.
It is just that they skip the formalities before they send him to a mental asylum.
Which is not that different from a jail, except the social enviroment is a lot worse.
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posted May 26, 2011 01:41 PM |
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He's going to stay in the asylum for a while. If after a couple of months, he's going to act all normal again, people will suspect something. 
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posted May 26, 2011 02:00 PM |
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*sigh*
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posted May 26, 2011 02:02 PM |
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Oh, come on, people. We knew right away that the guy is seriously sicko, because - hint, hint - he randomly shot a couple of people.
Sane persons don't do that.
Consequently he'll end in some asylum, life-long, because it makes no sense to punish the sick, since for starters, they don't even understand THAT they are punished or WHY. Ich
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posted May 26, 2011 02:58 PM |
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Hey, just saw this.
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Completely off-topic, Bak, sorry.
Everything's on topic, with a little imagination.
For example, my little rant on Fischer was supposed to illustrate how you can't count on anyone or anything that gains major influence in politics to actually exercise continuity in their ideals and effectively stand for what their initial premise was. There are far too many factors, both inner and outer, that make the system nigh impossible to essentially change, at least by the common man.
Certainly, German war participation was a change, but I think we can agree it was a rather unfortunate one - and if it happened under the Greens, it would've probably happened under anyone in Germany. Perhaps it was foreign pressure. Perhaps calculated material gain. In any case, it says a thing or two about changing things in the inertial surroundings of imbalanced international democracy and self-centered human nature.
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posted May 26, 2011 03:51 PM |
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You can certainly discuss the war controversial, you can certainly discuss Geermany's paerticipation in it controversial - especially on the grounds of a missing UN mandate -, but I do think that Serbia under Milosevic had it coming. There has been happening a lot of really bad things following the disintegration of Yugoslavia, and the aim was to stop a war and to stop ongoing murder and war crimes.
If this documents anything at all, then the fact that the UN isn't the instrument it is supposed to be or supposed to become - yet.
I still think, it's off-topic, especially because I do not fully agree with the things you conclude from it.
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