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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 03, 2011 11:55 AM |
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Multiplayer Heroes 6 beta test
From some info i heard Heroes 6 is in beta test phase. At least logic say it's time for beta, if it's not late already for a game launch in march. I have direct question to UBI/Black hole. Will be used TOH players for Heroes 6 multiplayer beta test ? Why they are not used in project right now ? I think no one in entire universe can help balance the game better that "Tournament of Honor" members. Mapmakers, elite players - all in one. Why such valuable human resource are not used ?
I pretty sure any medium level TOH player can wash game floor with any Black Hole beta tester  . Let's say Blizzard used a lot pro players from WC3, Starcraft to polish Starcraft 2 multiplayer balance, they done public test also. I sure UBI developers know that. Why they not use such positive experience ? They can done this job alone ? Couple of fans inside the Black Hole is enough ? Don't think so. Heroes 5 experience show this is not possible. Even after all this addons, patches game is heavily imbalanced, most of official maps are unplayable, rmg generator and templates are bad, well maybe one template by accident are playable  . So please UBI take in consideration this ideas, and use volunteers elite players for multiplayer beta test. Maybe not only TOHers, maybe members of russian league etc ...
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Nelgirith
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted February 03, 2011 01:22 PM |
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Halp! Halp! Halp! My elitism sensors just exploded !
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 03, 2011 01:25 PM |
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Well, TOH are elite, you can check it for yourself 
P.S. Elvin are you still TOHer or what ?
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted February 03, 2011 01:39 PM |
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Nelgirith don't worry about it it's just how infinitus rolls. And to be quite honest he has a point the ToH has some amazingly good players. But the notion that ToHs are all some sort of divine players... well just check the ToH forum and see for youself.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 03, 2011 01:41 PM |
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But the notion that ToHs are all some sort of divine players...
You right, we are very evil 
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 03, 2011 07:20 PM |
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well Im both an toh player and Ive also made a few maps...
I would really like to beta test ofc (like everyone else)
I think U are spot on infinitus !!
ofc we had our shaRE of "battles" at toh... but that doesnt make us "bad" players.... more like the opposite
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 03, 2011 07:24 PM |
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I would really like to beta test ofc (like everyone else)
Good to hear, maestro Fiur is ready for action
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 03, 2011 07:36 PM |
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oh yeah infini count me in beta or no beta
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted February 04, 2011 01:17 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 01:18, 04 Feb 2011.
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ofc we had our shaRE of "battles" at toh... but that doesnt make us "bad" players.... more like the opposite
I ment no offense and didn't mean to imply that you're not good players. Like I said you have amazing (seriously aweomse) players. I was just opposed to the notion that being in ToH automatically makes you amazing, I speak from personal experience. Oh and check your HCM fiur if you don't mind.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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xerox
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
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posted February 04, 2011 01:24 AM |
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actually, in the starcraft 2 beta they made sure that all kinds of players were represented and not just those that had climbed the tournament ladders in starcraft 1
you could get invited even if you had never played starcraft before etc as players wanted to see the opinions of several groups of players and not just the pros
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted February 04, 2011 01:29 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 01:32, 04 Feb 2011.
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Well that's nice and dandy for publicity xerox but the opinion of anything below a seasoned player is irrelivant when it comes to balance issues. They can be helpful spotting bugs but in order to adequatly judge balance issues you'll have to have a deeper understanding of the game. Blizzard didn't give a damn about balance problems bronze to plantinum players would complain about since the problems they complained about were results of their own shortcomings and not due to game mechanics. So please think about it before you go on about your fairy Blizzard world nonsense. In order to actually be able to judge balance issues you'll have to be very good at the game xerox it's that simple.
Infinitus has a point eventhough I'm personally not the biggest fan of the ToH it is a very good place to find just such players.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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Aosaw
Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted February 04, 2011 01:37 AM |
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Azagal, cool it.
As a developer, you want a variety of people to playtest your game. You'll want seasoned players, yes, because they'll figure out a bunch of the bugs and gameplay weirdness and balance issues that need to be sorted out; but you also want newer players, to make sure that your storyline makes sense, that the controls are intuitive enough that anyone can pick up the game and play, that the game is fun.
You also want feedback from the players who've played previous installments but who aren't hardcore fans of the series, because they can give you feedback from another perspective. "This unit's abilities aren't cool enough. Remember in this earlier game, this unit could do this? Why can't it do that anymore?"
The designers can take or leave whatever feedback they get, but the beta test is their last chance to change the game so that it works, so that it sells, and so that it's fun.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have seasoned players playtesting the game trying to break its mechanics and really getting into the nitty gritty of balance and strategy elements. But the game isn't targeted only toward those players, and the playtest needs to reflect that.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted February 04, 2011 01:43 AM |
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...why cool it? I wasn't being aggresive. I agree with you almost completely Aosaw and I don't see how I excluded less season players from being able to have beta keys. I was just saying that their input concerning balance isn't really all that relevant. You point out all the useful stuff they can do beside that and you're right. Look I wasn't trying to kiss ToH butt here I'm not in the ToH mind you, I think we should all be able to play the beta and I'm sure all of us would contribute something useful but as things are the beta seems to be highly exsclusive and if that's the case I'd rather have people in there that can both tell them whether it's fun and whether it's balanced than those that may not have the same insight. That was all.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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Aosaw
Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted February 04, 2011 01:49 AM |
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Edited by Aosaw at 01:50, 04 Feb 2011.
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I'm sorry for the lack of clarity; the first line of my post and the rest of it weren't wholly related. My "cool it" remark was the reaction I had to this:
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So please think about it before you go on about your fairy Blizzard world nonsense.
Maybe it wasn't meant aggressively, but it seemed that way to me. If you weren't trying to attack xerox the way I thought you were, then I apologize. I guess I've been seeing too many personal attacks on this forum to give anyone the benefit of the doubt... 
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted February 04, 2011 02:23 AM |
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No worries. Oh and I've known xerox for quite a while longer than you trust me I'm still being very friendly to him.
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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SwampLord
Supreme Hero
Lord of the Swamp
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posted February 04, 2011 02:38 AM |
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Don't make titles like that! You made me think one was out!
A beta test would be great and advisable, but this late in the process I don't think we'll be seeing one.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 04, 2011 07:35 AM |
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to see the opinions of several groups of players and not just the pros
Azagal explained all very well ...
Sure, public beta is very good idea, helps a lot to make game better. Still elite players are needed to even out all tactics, elaborate counters against this tactics, make changes in game were no counters possible, etc. All i try to say, totally ignoring elite players are big mistake. Not a single tourney organized by UBI, nothing ... Cold ice ... Heroes game have big multiplayer potential, please don't let him die.
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vesuvius
Hero of Order
Honor Above all Else
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posted February 04, 2011 06:31 PM |
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Problem with UBI is that they still put multiplayer as a secondary thing for homm, as proven in Homm5, where it was buggy and unplayable as multiplayer for the first 6 months. Let alone have true hardcores beta test the game...
I've noticed one thing -- if you kiss butt, you get invited. I never did -- nor do I have the time to do so. I've kept homm gaming alive online longer than any other individual on the net... But I'm also not going to be employed by them for $5 an hour.
This does not mean that they shouldn't invite key TOH players to beta test (even better -- alpha test) the game to work out exploits that will be eventually taken advantage of down the line. I hate to say it, but most of this board or Heroes Community isn't about people who play the game, but more about another social networking board -- and no infinitus isn't trying to be elitist, just making a point that the people involved don't have that hardcore view of multiplayer.
I don't expect anything to come out of this, but I will cross my fingers that this time (homm4&5 failures in multi) we will see proper online multiplayer play that will encourage more activity than playing with yourself on campagins only.
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DarkLord
Supreme Hero
Fear me..
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posted February 04, 2011 09:05 PM |
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actually i am with Azagal on this one..
he is right, and people who really know the game should be involved in beta.. no questions about that! the inpact they will put in finding bugs, correcting balance issues, making the playability better and etc. is way higher then an ordinary player will.. so Ubi will spend less time and more effective rather then giving a try to everybody who wants to try beta..
while i agree that everyone here would love to try beta, and find some stuff which may be important for game development, i think that members of TOH MUST be involved at first place..
In the end of the day we want a good, balanced game!!!
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diegis
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted February 05, 2011 02:30 PM |
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Edited by diegis at 14:39, 05 Feb 2011.
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I think at least 50% of beta testers need to be from TOH!
The game in single or multi, will be tested at any level and this can be done in a really professional way by tohers... just suited for the job
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