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mytheroes
Famous Hero
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posted February 05, 2011 02:40 PM |
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Hmm, at the moment, who are actually invited for the beta test?
Edit: I also want to point out that the latest update regarding the release date is actually Spring 2011, not March anymore.
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markkur
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
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posted February 05, 2011 03:43 PM |
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I agree with you Infinitus.
I'm not a player by any "real" standard, so I would very much desire your idea heard and implemented, as an important targeted test group. It would be a big plus to me, knowing that while I am thinking almost entirely about map-making, the editor, etc. that serious testing is under way by those that live and breath...battle.
To my way of thinking; this is but a solid-attempt to ensure that all map-design efforts would not be a waste of time resulting from lack-luster game-play. Hope you're heard.
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Kaasschaaf
Hired Hero
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posted February 07, 2011 07:05 PM |
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Getting testers from an elitist community is a bad, bad idea. I don't know if you've seen what happened with CoD, but most of these types won't do anything but *****: "oh this sucks, oh this needs to be taken out, oh this isn't enough like H3" etc. A better way would be to select individuals based on what they've done for the community and on whether they'd give constructive feedback or not. Rather than take an online community and let them test it. Now I don't know exactly what ToH is, but I can pretty much guess accurately from posts above.
People should be selected based on value for the project, not skill or whatever ridiculous excuse.
Also, this would be a huge middle finger for those who never bothered to play on pro level but still enjoyed the games very much.
/rage
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Willis
Known Hero
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posted February 07, 2011 07:21 PM |
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Edited by Willis at 19:22, 07 Feb 2011.
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The input from all skill levels is totally relevant to game balance, not just from experts. What if they make a faction that experts can use really well, but lower level players can't make heads or tails of? Perhaps they wouldn't be able to figure out how to use that faction effectively at their skill level and that faction would go largely ignored. That would be bad design for the vast majority of players. I am all for expert players in beta tests, but to say their input is the only relevant input for game balance is not true.
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moonlith
Bad-mannered
Supreme Hero
If all else fails, use Fiyah!
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posted February 08, 2011 12:13 AM |
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Well that's nice and dandy for publicity xerox but the opinion of anything below a seasoned player is irrelivant when it comes to balance issues.
Except no one who plays a beta game is "seasoned" at that game.
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They can be helpful spotting bugs but in order to adequatly judge balance issues you'll have to have a deeper understanding of the game.
Which supposed "good gamers" immedeately know of the new beta game they are playing?
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Why they not use such positive experience ?
Because Ubisoft is run by idiots. Which should be evident by the ridiculous artwork.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 08, 2011 05:16 AM |
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"oh this sucks, oh this needs to be taken out, oh this isn't enough like H3" etc.
Ban things is most primitive way to bring balance, this make game less reach in tactics and should be used only as last resort solution then nothing else work.
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Now I don't know exactly what ToH is, but I can pretty much guess accurately from posts above.
Please don't talk about things you don't have any idea ...
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Also, this would be a huge middle finger for those who never bothered to play on pro level but still enjoyed the games very much.
Heroes 5 have option to set difficulty level of game, i assume it's no problem to make the same for Heroes 6.
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What if they make a faction that experts can use really well, but lower level players can't make heads or tails of?
Create factions it's developers works, not for beta testers. Again difficulty level and balance of game are different things ...
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Which supposed "good gamers" immedeately know of the new beta game they are playing?
Not immediately, but faster and more efficient, because Heroes 6 is not totally new game, it's based on Heroes 3, 5 etc ... Base game concepts remain the same ...
Game should be playable for any skill level players, no question here... If game is too difficult for newbies, will be no new players, no "new blood". If game is imbalanced on expert level of play game have no future too - newbies became in time experts, start to feel imbalances, get disappointed by imbalances and leave the game ... As conclusion game need beta testers newbies, but also need expert gamers ...
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fiur
Promising
Supreme Hero
Map Creator
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posted February 08, 2011 06:54 AM |
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Ves is spot on no more comment needed (atleast from me)
I can ONLY hope for the best
(cause in the long run H6 will only survive MP)
if MP s u c k s well ohhh well 
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted February 08, 2011 09:43 AM |
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OK, first of all, what does "seasoned" player mean? Someone who plays Heroes since... King's Bounty (the OLD one) or someone who participates in some multi-player community?
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KingImp
Famous Hero
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posted February 08, 2011 05:36 PM |
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Well, that certainly was bittersweet.
I just opened my e-mail to see I had something from Ubisoft with the title "Invitation to a closed beta test". Of course my mind immediately went to this game, but unfortunately it was for some Treasure Hunter game. 
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Aosaw
Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted February 08, 2011 07:58 PM |
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I think it's pretty obvious what it means, Zenofex. A "seasoned" player is like an unseasoned player, but saltier.
(Think about it.)
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Zenofex
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Kreegan-atheist
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posted February 08, 2011 08:53 PM |
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Thank you, dictionary, but that's not what I asked. Focus on the second sentence.
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Aosaw
Promising
Famous Hero
Author of Nonreal Fiction
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posted February 08, 2011 11:24 PM |
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That was my point.
Technically speaking, "seasoned" means that you've played the game before. That doesn't mean you were there since the series began. It doesn't mean you participate in tournaments and contests. It doesn't even mean you go to the message board. It just means you've played the game, played it more than once, and know "what it's all about".
A seasoned player isn't necessarily an expert. I think that some of the people calling for "elite" beta testers are trying to say that you aren't seasoned unless you're part of the elite - but that's not true in the strictest sense of the word.
Thus, "Seasoned" players (in the "elite" point of view as I understand it) are the same as "Unseasoned" players, except that the Seasoned players are saltier, think that they're the Rooster, and that everybody else's opinions are irrelevant. Not a direct quote, but a close paraphrase.
Personally, I've been playing Heroes since game One, and I also remember playing Warlords on my parents' old PowerPC. So I'm intimately familiar with the game's mechanics and concept. And I consider myself on the far end of "seasoned". Another friend, who started playing in Heroes 3, I would also consider "seasoned". Really, I would consider anyone who owned and played Heroes V to be "seasoned".
We're not talking about the Rotary Club, here.
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Willis
Known Hero
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posted February 09, 2011 04:17 PM |
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What if they make a faction that experts can use really well, but lower level players can't make heads or tails of?
Create factions it's developers works, not for beta testers. Again difficulty level and balance of game are different things ...
Huh? I didn't say the beta testers would create the factions. The factions should be tweaked so they can be used effectively at varying levels of play. They shouldn't just be balanced for expert play because very few players will become experts. If mid-level players playing a particular faction can spam some ability that you have to be an expert to overcome, I would say that is a balance issue. Whatever you want to call it, the feedback of less than great gamers should be taken into account when designing how each faction plays.
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SAG
Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
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posted February 10, 2011 08:04 AM |
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IMHO homm6 is nothing more than small adjustment of homm5.
Just a toy for children that will use it few days and switch to WoW or hundreds other clons.
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 10, 2011 09:06 AM |
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What if they make a faction that experts can use really well, but lower level players can't make heads or tails of?
Create factions it's developers works, not for beta testers. Again difficulty level and balance of game are different things ...
Huh? I didn't say the beta testers would create the factions. The factions should be tweaked so they can be used effectively at varying levels of play. They shouldn't just be balanced for expert play because very few players will become experts. If mid-level players playing a particular faction can spam some ability that you have to be an expert to overcome, I would say that is a balance issue. Whatever you want to call it, the feedback of less than great gamers should be taken into account when designing how each faction plays.
And what makes you great gamers? What makes you better than those that Ubisoft would otherwise choose to beta test the game?
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Sleeping_Sun
Promising
Famous Hero
Townscreen Architect
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posted February 10, 2011 10:44 AM |
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IMHO homm6 is nothing more than small adjustment of homm5.
Just a toy for children that will use it few days and switch to WoW or hundreds other clons.
Can you please provide some arguments to this statement if you please.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2011 10:59 AM |
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IMHO homm6 is nothing more than small adjustment of homm5.
Can't agree on that, lots of things look very different.
- No more random skills and spells is just mega difference, i say it's another game ...
- Possibility to convert alien town to your own race is fantastic and again very different from H5
- Choose the specialization of hero from start, nice and different from H5
- Much more nice landscapes ...
- No anti-aliasing, some crap looking creatures, mmm, sorry not that
Are many more differences, but i think this i noticed are enough to realize H6 is not small adjustment to H5
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Just a toy for children that will use it few days and switch to WoW or hundreds other clons.
Only if game fail to bring acceptable balanced multiplayer.
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And what makes you great gamers? What makes you better than those that Ubisoft would otherwise choose to beta test the game?
In general, good gamer is combination of huge experience and good talent. They beat ordinaries players (read ordinary beta tester  ) 9 from 10 games no matter what ... Real life example Willgefors (TOH @ UBI server player), take a look of his statistic on UBI server - 1000+ games played, maximum win strike 40 games in row ... Or look at TOH ranking page click to watch TOH ranking
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 10, 2011 11:36 AM |
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Indeed their experience playing the past games is great. But this one, will be new and not just in title but in gameplay too. In the end, even those players will be as inexperienced in it as the rest of us.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted February 10, 2011 11:44 AM |
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Indeed their experience playing the past games is great. But this one, will be new and not just in title but in gameplay too. In the end, even those players will be as inexperienced in it as the rest of us.
I answered once in this topic to similar question, still if it's not clear to a multiplayer newbies like you, i recommend you to try play H6 then it appear vs good TOH player. Believe me you will feel the difference
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kodial79
Promising
Supreme Hero
How'd Phi's Lov't
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posted February 10, 2011 11:47 AM |
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Indeed their experience playing the past games is great. But this one, will be new and not just in title but in gameplay too. In the end, even those players will be as inexperienced in it as the rest of us.
I answered once in this topic to similar question, still if it's not clear to a multiplayer newbies like you, i recommend you to try play H6 then it appear vs good TOH player. Believe me you will feel the difference
Multiplayer newbies like me? You know that kind of attitude won't earn you our support, and if you don't have it, a clear message won't ever reach Ubisoft.
I still claim the same thing. In H6 you're as inexperienced as the rest of us. And MP is not all there is to the game.
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