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Heroes Community > Heroes 6+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: A creational game [masterpost on page 224]
Thread: A creational game [masterpost on page 224] [ This thread is 410 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 (109) 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 ]
Jiriki9
Jiriki9


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posted May 09, 2011 03:52 PM

so, in a mage guild, there will appear 4/3/3/1 spell/s on level 1/2/3/4. Nice.

Now on with the missing L1 spells...Metal Magic

Silver Tongue (used in battle, it reduces the costs of Capitulation)
OR
Silver Tongue (AM. Used on a stack of neutral creatures, they react a bit better to you, possibly)
OR
Coinflip (this spell has a 50-50 chance. 50% that nothing happens, 50% that the hero casts a random level 2 spell, yet chooses the target freely)
OR
a better idea by you
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posted May 10, 2011 01:15 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 03:49, 10 May 2011.

Forgery - AM spell. Reduces the cost of capitulation.
(I just feel that using metal magic to create counterfeit currency seems a little more plausible than increased negotiation skill by litterally giving yourself a toungue of silver)

EDIT: VVV I can only guess what summon gold does, and forgery ain't nothing like that. You only use it when you're about to get sacked, and it doesn't net you any additional income. It's also an AM spell because it otherwise would be rather easy for the enemy to see that you're tricking them. The spell only lasts one round.

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posted May 10, 2011 03:38 AM

I am fine with the name, though it's a bit close to summon Gold, but I don't see why it's an AM-Spell. Also, how long shall it last?...

Now, Fire...

Burn Wood (AM - targets an enemy town or Sawmill...the enemy looses a (very little) amount of gold)
OR
Fire Trap (Lets u place a fire trap on the battlefield, invisible for the enemy. When a unit steps over it, it gets fire damage)
OR
Fire Trap (Randomly places a few fire traps on the battlefield, invisible for the enemy. When a unit steps over it, it gets fire damage)
OR
Smoke (Places a hex of smoke on the battlefield, that can be passed through, but counts as an obstacle for shooters)
OR
a better idea by you
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posted May 10, 2011 03:57 AM
Edited by Avirosb at 04:01, 10 May 2011.

Smoke (Any hex occupied by an enemy target is engulfed in smoke. Can be passed through.
Ranged creatures are prevented from using ranged attacks. Lowers defense (though not by much).
Edit: Oh yeah, the spell does not affect big creatures.

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posted May 10, 2011 04:10 AM

Now water

Cure (A BIT healing + takes away negative effects)
OR
Cure (A BIT healing + takes away negative spell effects)
OR
Cure (A BIT healing + takes away negative ability effects)
OR
Flexibility (Allows target unit to pass through friendly unit)
OR
Water Eye (AM. Reveals all Buildings on Water in a certain range around the hero)
OR
a better idea by you
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posted May 10, 2011 04:42 AM

Flexibility (Allows target unit to pass through friendly unit)

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posted May 10, 2011 04:50 AM
Edited by Jiriki9 at 05:46, 10 May 2011.

Now for Earth

Trap Holes (Places 3 trap holes on random positions on the battlefield. Any creature walking throguh a trap is immediately halted and looses this turn)
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Trap Hole (Allows you to place a trap hole on the battlefield. Any creature walking throguh the trap is immediately halted and looses this turn)
OR
Push (Pushes target unit [friend or foe] into any wished direction)
OR
Stand/Hold (As long as the target is under this spell, it cannot be moved against will. The spell however vanishes when the target moves freely)
OR
a better idea by you

EDIT: Updated post No.1, adding some formerly missed buildings as well as unit upgrades.
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Minnakht
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posted May 10, 2011 06:11 AM

Trap Hole.


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posted May 10, 2011 06:18 AM

Though it's a bit close to the gleaming beam spell

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Minnakht
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posted May 10, 2011 06:30 AM

I wouldn't know... so maybe this?

Anchoring Ground - Creates a patch of magical soil on the battlefield. Friendly units can't be moved off it unless by own spell or teleport, and enemy units get a movement penalty for passing through.
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posted May 10, 2011 07:23 AM

I am fine with it^^

now. that leaves us to light.

It's your choice
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posted May 10, 2011 07:33 AM

I don't know what are we working on, so...

Da ze - creates a large, multicolored flash in a spot of the battlefield. All enemy units not behind obstacles or other enemy units get small, non-percentage penalties to attack for a short time.


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posted May 10, 2011 08:00 AM

@minnakht: We are currently deciding the 5th Light Magic Level 1 spell...your spell seems a bit strong for level 1, I think?!

How about the spell targeting a certain creature (being the opposite of  Precision, in that way)?

The choice is yours, minnakht!

anyway, we all will proceed to another topic, again, now...we have been at the spells quite long, anyway - over a month and about 21 pages [maybe 20, considerung our excursion to weather]. So, there's still tons of things we can do. But what SHALL we do?

Religion (=determining the belief and the role of belief and possible deities in this world...the RAW shape of it first, of course)
OR
Sub-Sills/Perks (still to do)
OR
decide City Architecture Styles of the factions
OR
Precising the racials (Some are very vague yet, that shall be changed)
OR
Decide on some more game mechanics and features
OR
decide the missing upgraded creatures and name those who have no name yet
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posted May 10, 2011 08:12 AM
Edited by Minnakht at 08:12, 10 May 2011.

I said small and non-percentage. If you want, we can add a limited range, too. This way, it'll work like a watered-down version of Mass Weakness.

A really watered-down version, deducing just 1-2 points of attack. At higher skill levels, maybe up to 4-5, with larger range.


I'd precise the racials.
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posted May 10, 2011 08:19 AM

both fine. So, we begin with Haven. More precise, we begin with the first Haven racial, Crusade:

Crusade (Some Haven Core Units will join the Priest at the beginning of each week)

I think we should not give definite numbers now, when we do not have specified the strengths of any creature yet.But there are some things we can specify here.
First:
Shall this Racial have the power to call neutral haven Core units, as well? (I know, there are none of them, now, but they may come later. We still have no peasants, for example )
Yes or No
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posted May 10, 2011 08:24 AM
Edited by Minnakht at 08:25, 10 May 2011.

Yes, if there is armyspace. If not, only those that can join appear at all.

So, yes.

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posted May 10, 2011 08:37 AM

^^I assumed that, anyway...it leads me to a strange question, though, a bit offtopic, but we haven't clearified it, afaik, and it maybe should be done, before continuing:

Can units/armies travel without heroes?

Yes
[If you choose yes, choose which of the followin features units travelling without hero shall have and which not:
~being capable of attacking
~can pick up ressources
~can pick up artifacts and treasure chests
~in a battle, you can NOT control them without hero
~can conquer mines
~can conquer garrisons
~can conquer towns
~can enter ships
~can conquer SOME AM-buildings]
OR
No
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posted May 10, 2011 08:42 AM

Yes
~being capable of attacking
~can pick up resources
~can pick up treasure chests, but if it yields an artifact, it is dropped to the adventure map's ground - those items are too powerful for non-hero beings
~in a battle, you can control them without hero
~can conquer garrisons
~can enter ships

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posted May 10, 2011 08:52 AM

so now back to Crusade.
What shall happen when the hero's army stacks are all used and none of the used stacks is a Haven Core Creature?

A few HAven Core creatures appear beside the hero, as army (like in H4)
OR
the hero gets no Haven Core creatures then
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posted May 10, 2011 08:54 AM

no creatures for a traitor of his kind that doesn't use his own basic unite!


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