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JollyJoker
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posted February 15, 2013 07:35 PM |
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NOW do you understand what I said?
I understood it the first time and it's still the same complete BS.
What you talk about is some kind of coup: first Obama the devil would start one to do crap knows what, of course without making sure first of the support from the Joint Chiefs, Homeland Security and so on - then, when the righteous population would protest and Obama the devil would order the military to slam down on the righteous population the military would intervene on behalf of the population.
What kind of a BS scenario is that supposed to be?
A much more realistic scenario is a MILITARY COUP under the excuse of an assumed or even staged terror attack. Martial law. Summary executions. Not to mention a combined such coup.
And all depends ON INFORMATION THE PUBLIC GETS. If a nuclear bomb would explode somewhere in the US ... would the public protest against the martial law that would follow? Nah. Most probably lots of people would use a chaos situation for plundering, and not to fight against the military.
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GunFred
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posted February 15, 2013 07:48 PM |
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Edited by GunFred at 19:49, 15 Feb 2013.
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Is it not great news that the US army is pretty much all conservative and noble? Now people do not need guns anymore to overthrow the government. 
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artu
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posted February 16, 2013 04:56 PM |
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In short, if you really think that a gun in the closet is some sort of insurance against governments "going rogue", you've stopped living on the planet Earth.
+1. I think this is so obvious it's pointless to debate about it.
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Elodin
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posted February 22, 2013 10:48 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 22:49, 22 Feb 2013.
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The good guy with the gun wins again against multiple home invaders.
21-year-old protects family, kills home invader
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HOUSTON –A 21-year-old man sprang into action to protect his family Thursday night when three suspects barged into their northwest Harris County home.
The young man was home with his mother and father in the 3900 block of Brook Garden when three armed men forced their way into the house around 8 p.m., according to Harris County Sheriff’s deputies.
The family was in the middle of baking a cake, when there was a knock at the door.
“I see a young boy and I think it is a friend of my son so I open it a little bit,” the father explained. “These guys push and out comes two more, they push me on the ground.”
After the father was down, the suspects went after the mother. That is when the son ran and got his dad’s gun. He opened fire and hit one of the suspects, who died in the back bedroom. The other two suspects fled the scene.
“I just hear a couple of times; boom, boom, boom. One young life is lost,” the dad said.
Deputies responding to the call spotted a vehicle carrying two men who matched the suspects’ descriptions and pulled it over. The men were taken into custody for questioning.
Deputies said they do not know why the suspects targeted this home.
“At this point, we don’t know what the motive is behind this home invasion, but they did force entry into the residence,” said Sgt. Greg Pinkins, Harris County Sheriff’s Office.
Neighbors said the son was just doing what he had to do.
“People can’t go breaking into people’s homes and not expect some sort of consequence," said Harry Moulder.
No charges were expected to be filed against the homeowner’s son.
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Doomforge
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posted February 22, 2013 11:01 PM |
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Okay, now that's weird. Three ARMED guys get into a guy's home, allow his son to get a gun from a cabinet or something AFTER KNOCKING HIM DOWN, allow him to gun down one of them, and FLEE rather than shooting back.
Those guys must've been insanely dumb. If you got criminals so stupid in your country, I support arming yourself to the teeth 
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Elodin
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posted February 24, 2013 11:22 PM |
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The scumbags probably thought the young man was running away rather than running for a gun What you have to realize is these situations happen VERY fast.
Here is another homeowner killing an intruder.
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HICKORY N.C. – One man was shot dead on Saturday morning after he allegedly broke into a residence.
The Hickory Police Department received a call from the owner of a home located in the 1700 block of 14th Street NE, according to a news release from the department. The caller stated he had shot an intruder during a break-in.
The homeowner and the alleged intruder were located when police arrived at the residence. The alleged intruder was pronounced dead at the scene. A revolver was recovered nearby.
Investigators found signs of a break-in at the home.
The owner of the residence was transported to the hospital where he was treated and released for injuries sustained as a result of an assault during the alleged break-in. The man is cooperating with police and said he was protecting himself from a man he did not know.
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meroe
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posted February 24, 2013 11:48 PM |
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If someone broke into my home and I had a gun, I'd use it. Hell yeah (gets all gung-ho). But hopefully I wouldn't go all mental and shoot a loved one while they're on the toilet.
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Seraphim
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posted February 25, 2013 02:07 AM |
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Edited by Seraphim at 02:07, 25 Feb 2013.
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Those guys must've been insanely dumb. If you got criminals so stupid in your country, I support arming yourself to the teeth
What, you expected more from stoners? Cmon, you should give them credit when credit is due...
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GunFred
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posted February 28, 2013 07:44 PM |
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Doomforge
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posted February 28, 2013 07:58 PM |
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The scumbags probably thought the young man was running away rather than running for a gun What you have to realize is these situations happen VERY fast.
They might have been stoned. Otherwise, I can't really believe anyone would let him and his two comrades chucknorrised by a teen.
I have to congratulate the teen, tho - quick thinking.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted March 03, 2013 12:07 AM |
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Teheehe.
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artu
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posted March 30, 2013 12:51 AM |
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Edited by artu at 01:02, 30 Mar 2013.
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A friend living in the US just wrote on her Facebook status that a magazine has been sending and sending subscription requests by e-mail. And the magazine is called... Garden and Gun!
"In this issue the secret to lively tulips and how to clean your M16 in less than 10 minutes."
Edit: By the looks of it, it's a regular magazine. I guess they wanted to appeal to the southerners by naming the magazine after what they love the most!
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Elodin
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posted April 14, 2013 10:32 AM |
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Here's another example of a homeowner repelling intruders with his gun. The homeowner was wounded while defending himself. Both home invaders fled, one died, the other was found wounded.
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FAYETTEVILLE, N.C. — Two men who attempted to invade a Fayetteville home early Friday morning died after a gun fight with the homeowner, according to WTVD.
WTVD reports the exchange of gunfire happened shortly after 3:30 a.m. at a house in the 7500 block of Levi Road.
Both suspects fled the scene after the exchange, WTVD reports.
According to WTVD, one of the suspects, 20-year-old Xavier White, was later found shot on Martha Court. He was taken to Cape Fear Valley Medical Center, where he later died, the station reports.
The second suspect was found dead around 5:45 a.m. along the shoulder of the roadway in the 5400 block of South Sumac Circle, WTVD reports. The second suspect’s name has not been released.
The homeowner was also wounded in the exchange, the station reports. The homeowner’s name has not been released, either.
No other details were immediately available.
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Doomforge
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posted April 14, 2013 11:25 AM |
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One lucky guy.
I wonder if you would post an article of "failed home defense: gun owner killed by thugs despite trying to gun them down" if his luck ran differently, i.e. he got shot first?
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted April 14, 2013 05:47 PM |
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We're individuals, i.e people, not statistics DF.
A single man was able to defend his property with the use of lethal arms. Saying sure it's just one man, thousands of others failed is irrelevant, because the same could be applied for everything else in life. (eg: work, thousands fail to get a promotion while only one succeeds. Luck? You decide I guess)
We're not all the same, we have the freedom to choose, if thousand to one failed to defend their homes then for these individuals other means of protection would've been preferable, but it was their choice and they paid the consequences, the whole point of America is it not? To live your life by your own decisions? Even if that decision results in your demise.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 05:56 PM |
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Edited by artu at 18:20, 14 Apr 2013.
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He's cherry-picking the "individual cases" is what Doomforge means Tsar. His objection is not based on statistics.
Edit: Tsar enhanced his post, my objection was made while the post only consisted of this:
We're individuals, i.e people, not statistics DF.
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Salamandre
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posted April 14, 2013 06:47 PM |
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Never answer to Tsar before one hour pass. He will spend this hour to edit, so you will look fool. 
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elodin
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posted April 14, 2013 06:52 PM |
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He's cherry-picking the "individual cases" is what Doomforge means Tsar. His objection is not based on statistics.
Edit: Tsar enhanced his post, my objection was made while the post only consisted of this:
We're individuals, i.e people, not statistics DF.
Actually, I'm not cherry picking. I gave the stats in the first post of the thread. But the anti-gun people kept insisting, "Nuh uh, having a gun makes you no safer. And besides you should be an expert at 18 kinds of marial arts, block knives with your bare hands, and catch bullets in your teeth." They watch too many cartoons. I live in the real world where having a gun on your person means you have a chance to fight back when human predators try to make you their prey and where the only place anyone "catches bullets in their teeth" is a Hollywood flick.
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Zenofex
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posted April 14, 2013 07:09 PM |
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There are no statistics in your first post, there's just some propaganda crap.
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artu
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posted April 14, 2013 07:09 PM |
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My objection to gun ownership freedom going so loose was based on the thought that it could turn domestic fight situations which would stay as fights only into murder cases. The study I read on a page you linked changed my mind about that. It was not biased or ideological. (Check page 38 of this thread, I re-linked it as a pdf). However, you should realize that the gun CULTURE you defend is totally something else, it is not just about being able to own guns. It is a mentality, an attitude that prefers to solve any situation of threat, immediately with guns. That is still very problematic and you Southerners are quite infamous about it.
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