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posted May 17, 2011 05:36 PM |
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Indeed, without a convicted rape case (which isn't) he would take for max 2 years here. Or even nothing.
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posted May 17, 2011 05:39 PM |
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It's not entirely in the court's control to mitigate the repercussions of being falsely accused of sexual misconduct. That's more of a problem with society at large being judgmental. Many women have a "girlpower" prejudice, and many men have a "white knight" prejudice.
That's true to a large degree, and I'm not saying it's the courts' fault. Society has put police, school boards and courts into a zero-tolerance situation where lawmakers and decision makers are no longer allowed to exercise any sort of discretion. It's a complete sham of a justice system.
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I approve of SK being denied bail. It's a special situation with him not being a national. I absolutely do not want him going back to France's jurisdiction.
In the end, probably the right decision. It's an unusual case. Even so, I'm not sure someone's word should be enough to incarcerate them. I'm speaking generally again, of course.
Frankly, the whole case seems a little fishy to me. I just don't see a gazillionaire jumping a maid, at least not in the manner that the media is reporting it.
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posted May 17, 2011 06:17 PM |
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In the end, probably the right decision. It's an unusual case. Even so, I'm not sure someone's word should be enough to incarcerate them. I'm speaking generally again, of course.
Well as with everything, it's critical to make sure people are in a constant state of accountability. False testimony needs to be maintained as a serious crime and severely frowned upon in society, and the later isn't as true as it ought to be considering I find it to be the most destructive force in human history when taken in the broader sense, rather than just in court. If it's taken lightly, expect it to be a problem.
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posted May 18, 2011 02:44 AM |
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Edited by shyranis at 02:51, 18 May 2011.
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The usual tactics. Divert the issue with a straw man.
Has he been reported as guilty or hasn't he? He's been prosecuted for rape and, thankfully, media outlets are reporting on it, which is 110% okay.
I never said that he was being targeted specifically. Only that this seems to be what it's leading to. I don't doubt that it has the potential to escalate into another Hatfill incident. (He was accused without any research done by the media for most of the last decade over anthrax being mailed. "White powder"). Corribus posted an excellent example as well of Sean Lanigan. I mean, there are plenty examples of "news" people flat out accusing people they disagree with of various nastiness or using edited video footage to frame people who disagree (wow, I noticed CNN at least noticed the tapes looked edited) with them.
These networks thrive on false controversy. Like claiming Mass Effect (my earlier, easy grab example) was some big sex romp with full on nudity. Mass effect shows less than some PG-13 movies.
I said I didn't have time to find you a decent example, so no, there was no straw man used. that video is an example of a "news" organization making up garbage to get a story.
It's a disease that is inherent in all of the Television "news" media.
In principal, a person should not lose their rights just because somebody else says so. In general it's normal, everyday people who are leveled with these spurious charges.
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Some claim that the media should unethically deprive people of this knowledge because the story alone will damage Strauss-Kahn's reputation even if it all works out in the end, however I think there are several weaknesses to this thinking:
Never said I was one of them. I said stick to facts. Possibility of innocence should always be equivalent, not lesser than the ratings grabbing presumption of guilt.
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1. We may have become spoiled to the reality of modern media being so pervasive for the past century that we have forgotten the benefit of having it in such force. SK is a powerful man with powerful connections that could potentially wiggle himself out of trouble. Such corruption happened far more often in the past, which is why it is fortunate that political cases like these are now thrown into the public spotlight with hundreds of journalists poised like hawks. This is a good thing and I hope we never devolve away from it, as some would wish.
Again, never said anything to disagree with this. Scrutiny is a good thing. That being said, the following claims are often made about Wikileaks but untrue. Especially the particular one “Wikileaks is recklessly publishing documents without thinking of the consequences.” when only about 1,000 of the 250,000 diplomatic cables in its possession have been released. If somebody's skimming money off the top of their company/charity/government branch, organizing backroom deals or conspiring for somebody's death, people should know. But even those people have a right to be presumed innocent and have media look at them objectively.
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2. I think many underestimate how much his reputation could recover if his innocence is maintained. The media works both ways.
Hence why it should be treated objectively. The assumption is even planted often in written stories with multiple references to "possible" wrongdoing with few to no specific references possible innocence. Saying someone is "possibly" is still putting forth good chances that they are, and not balancing that with the possibility of innocence leaves a lasting impression in people's minds.
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3. If this is a scam (which to me seems extremely doubtful because the woman's account is too ****ing dumb to be a scam. Was it planned by a bunch of inbreeds?) and it is shown to be a scam, his reputation will recover and then some. He'll made into a hero, and if the people that set up the scam are tracked? Complete ownage.
That doesn't matter. Because (not just him, but all of the victims of guilt prejudice) they still gave to pick up their lives, try to mend relationships, fix their families, etc. For many people that chance never happens.
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Has a loony-tunes network said he is guilty? FOX has been fair and balanced, as always. They opened with the word "allegations" and gave reactions from different perspectives. He is entitled to a legal presumption of innocence but the evidence is not looking good for his case.
As I said, I was not speaking about his case in particular. I was being more general after seeing the results of so many witch hunts.
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Yes, it is fair that convicted felons can't vote. No, I've proven homeless people can vote and actually they can get state issued ID cards for the states that require IDs to vote.
If you want to continue to discuss who is and is not allowed to vote in the US please start a different topic.
So it's fair a person who stole a stop sign or tresspassed on a construction site when they were a kid can't vote?
No, nevermind. You're right. This is too offtopic. You responded to me, I responded to you, back and forth. That ends here on this topic.
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posted May 18, 2011 05:37 AM |
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No state would consider simple trespassing to be a felony.
Stealing a sign would be a misdemeanor unless something else happened. If there were a wreck and someone died as a result of you stealing a stop sign you could be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide.
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posted May 18, 2011 06:38 AM |
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Edited by shyranis at 09:10, 25 May 2011.
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posted May 24, 2011 09:14 PM |
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The former head of the International Monetary Fund accused of sexually assaulting a New York hotel maid will receive a $250,000 severance payment -- paid in part courtesy of the American taxpayer -- unless U.S. lawmakers can stop the "golden parachute" from landing in the French politician's bank account.
The IMF claims it has no discretion in the matter of Dominique Strauss-Khan, who was already pulling down nearly $500,000 as managing director when he resigned after being arrested in New York. The one-time severance, along with a much smaller annual pension, was part of his contract.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/24/lawmakers-raise-concern-ex-imf-directors-golden-parachute/#ixzz1NIavakeL
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Staff at the Sofitel told authorities that the 62-year-old Strauss-Kahn had made passes at them the day before the attack was reported, including flirting with a clerk and calling another employee to ask her up to his room, according to a third person with direct knowledge of investigators' interviews with staff.
Strauss-Kahn had flirted with one female staff member who accompanied him to his suite to make sure his accommodations were satisfactory after he checked in on May 13, the person said. Later, he phoned the desk clerk who had checked him in, asking her if she would like to get together with him when she got off duty, the person said. The desk clerk refused, saying she was not allowed to socialize with the VIP guest, the person said.
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posted May 24, 2011 09:30 PM |
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So what? He receives his indemnities for the work he has accomplished before his act, I don't see why being accused of sexual assault should automatically erase your past.
He flirts with women. So what? Most of us do the same. His FMI job does not ask being morally 100% clean, and even if it did, flirting is debatable if moral or not. I don't see anything wrong in it, for my part.
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posted July 01, 2011 06:40 PM |
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Interesting.
Strauss-Kahn released without bail
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(Reuters) - Former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn was released without bail on Friday after a dramatic court hearing where the sexual assault case against him appeared to shift in his favor.
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The case has hinged on the accuser, a 32-year-old Guinean immigrant who cleaned the $3,000-a-night suite at the Sofitel hotel in Manhattan where Strauss-Kahn was staying.
The New York Times quoted a source close to the investigation as saying the housekeeper had lied repeatedly and prosecutors no longer believed her account of the circumstances of the sexual encounter or of her own background.
The woman's brother told Reuters in Guinea that she was the victim of a smear campaign.
Still not solid evidence one way or another. But hopefully the courts reach a decision soon enough.
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Strauss-Kahn's supporters in the French Socialist party voiced delight at the apparent reversal and some said they hoped he might re-enter the 2012 presidential race.
Dagoth may need to move to France just to vote to the Austrian-Mongol warlord =p
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posted July 03, 2011 06:32 PM |
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Congrats to the americain justice for destroying a man. From last news it appears that the whole thing was BS, that woman was lying about everything.
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posted July 03, 2011 07:30 PM |
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Well, even if he didn't rape that woman (which seems unlikely atm), he still remains an evil, adulturous pervert. (it WAS proven he did have sex with her jsyk)
and a socialist.... BUERGH.
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posted September 19, 2011 10:00 PM |
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"I made a Moral Error" Strauss-Kahn tells France.
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(Reuters) - Dominique Strauss-Kahn apologized to his country on Sunday for a sexual encounter with a hotel maid he said was a "moral error" he would regret all his life, and vowed to stay out of the Socialist Party's 2012 election campaign in France.
In his first interview since a New York sex assault case derailed his IMF career and wrecked his chances of running for president, Strauss-Kahn said he was angry with himself for what he called an ill-judged but consensual liaison that had let down his country and hurt his family.
"It was a moral error, and I am not proud of it," Strauss-Kahn said in an interview on TF1's primetime Sunday evening TV news programme, watched by millions. "I regret it, infinitely, and I don't think I am finished with regretting it."
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posted September 19, 2011 10:03 PM |
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I regret it, infinitely, and I don't think I am finished with regretting it."
That line cracked me up  .
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posted September 20, 2011 12:02 PM |
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There is something about the way the article is written that wants me to puke.
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