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Oldtimer
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posted February 18, 2002 07:02 PM |
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There is no 6th star. Once you double your supreme post count the stars reset to 0 and you are reclassified "Spamming Tavern Dweller" and you just need to keep doubleing your counts if you want advance ranks.
So when you reach that 51,000th post you can become a Supreme Spamming Hero
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Angelspit
Famous Hero
Warrior of the Heavens
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posted February 18, 2002 07:09 PM |
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We need someone to take his place until he can become unce agian active in HC.
Valeriy is a control freak. He would never let someone else take over. Besides, while he do enjoy his administrative duties, do you really think he will be an active member again? When was the last time he actually contributed to a thread again?
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Valeriy
Mage of the Land
Naughty, Naughty Valeriy
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posted February 18, 2002 09:26 PM |
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Interesting discussion. I've noticed that Hexa's criteria for a post that can be deleted might be different from that of mine or RMS's. So I think we should reach an agreement on such a criteria before we resume any major cleaning. I propose to do this by each moderator writing his criteria. Then we can discuss the differences.
Regarding the drop of the post counts. The reason for letting the post counts drop is in order to let yellow stars indicate the amount of posts made by the member that are present on the boards, not posted, considered a past and lost. This also prevents making silly posts like "Good idea." everywhere in order to make some yellow.
As for archiving the threads, they would need to be converted to HTML by someone. Then I'd be happy to find a way to display them here. The reason moving them to a separate "trashcan" forum is of no good is because the threads will still remain in the database, and deleting them will not make for more speed. HTML files can be kept separate of the database of course. More ideas about thins would be welcome.
As for vice-admin or a new admin. The powers of admin above the powers of the moderator consist in creating/deleting forums, banning users and appointing moderators. The rest of the things that I do come from my access to my web hosting account on which HC is located. I can manually edit the PHP files to add new features and manually edit the MSQL database.
My control attitude of the admin position comes from the trust/importance dillema. If I cannot trust the person fully, I will not give them the power great enough do delete a whole tavern with one click, or to edit a database and accidentally make an irriversible mistake that renders the whole HC inoperational. It is important to me that HC remains operational, so I am resistant to share the responsibility of holding these powers unless I have the required trust for that person. In my opinion (feel free to change my mind), the duties of admin are being done to date. And moderators are a great dependable team to look after the forums.
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Lith-Maethor
Honorable
Legendary Hero
paid in Coin and Cleavage
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posted February 18, 2002 09:44 PM |
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the Mod Squad is here :P
I could easily make a new thread to anounce my arrival, but since Hexa joined the Tavern recently that would be spamming... (me a spammer?  ) ...anyways, I'm here to stay (I hope) so, feel free to suck up, flame, or do anything that can be annoying... NOT
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted February 18, 2002 10:37 PM |
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"Regarding the drop of the post counts. The reason for letting the post counts drop is in order to let yellow stars indicate the amount of posts made by the member that are present on the boards, not posted, considered a past and lost. This also prevents making silly posts like "Good idea." everywhere in order to make some yellow."
Observation: You'll not remedy this by deleting topics. This requires manual deletion of posts. This form of comments is as prevalent in good topics as poor topics.
"As for archiving the threads, they would need to be converted to HTML by someone."
When I made the Table of Contents for the Altar I tricked HC into making a one-page index page covering all topics currently posted in the Altar. I then used the Save Source command in my Browser, to get a HTML file.
We could use a similar approach for deleted Topics. My first thought would be to trick the HC scripts into making one HTML file for one Topic, by - if necessary - using the same Option for the viewthread command to create the HTML file. You then save this Topic with the name "ThreadId.html", where ThreadId is the used ThreadId.
This would mean that the Deleted Topics would be stored with the actual statuses the user had when the HTML files was created. Things like: User Defined Status, Selected Avatar, Red stars, and Yellow stars would be locked and display the same way even if the user profile changed.
This would mean that to display these HTML files all you need is a Master File, that contains links to all the Topic Files. This file, we will need to update manually as we deletete Topics and it too will be in HTML.
One Option to manually create and update this HTML file would be to create a Topic (like The Indexes we have now), which linked in all the HTML-files using BB codes. The difference being that instead of using the "viewthread" command (which we currently do in the indexes), the link would go to a "normal" HTML file.
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Cat
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Gonna Get Dirrty...
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posted February 18, 2002 10:41 PM |
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Good Idea, Djive!
LOL! no, seriously, I think your idea's a good one! However, for that to happen, I think we'd need a huge number of mods. I doubt the 4 we have (plus Val) could afford the time to delete all the Spam in the tavern. we are talking several hour a day here!
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DarkTitan
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 07:02 AM |
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Congrats Lith!
Anyway, deleting posts is alright and i agree with Hexa on this. If a threads been deleted, theres a reason. And if its not theres on too.
So if you think about it, all the posters who regard their posts as 'work of art' (providing that it is) will most likely have it kept BUT if it is in one of the threads like I AM NEW (so there) well, it might not survive.
There are some posters with high numbers of posts who post **** of a post
:sits on the chair whistling innocently:
and just because they got heaps of posts doesn't garentee them a no chance of deleting.
By the way lith, your shoes look extremely sshiny and is that a new haircut? it looks great!(sorry but i havent had a qp for a while (hint hint))
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 08:45 AM |
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Ok .. I will try to outline what I think are redundant threads that clutter up HC … in this special case the Tavern!@
The way I see The Tavern:
The Tavern was created to keep the ToH forum free from non-HOMM (off-topic) posts that where cluttering up the ToH forum. This has gradually grown into a place with its own rights of existence because of the loyal number of people that visit HC solely for the non-ToH threads.
Ok
The “Hello I’m new here threads I think we can all agree on shouldn’t have an immortal thread life.
Threads like: ”Where are u from?” and “What’s you favorite color?” and stuff like that can be all mixed up together in one big thread like that ”HC Yearbook” thread, that Cat made.
Some threads in The Tavern are now dating back to April 2001 and have not been revived since then.
Of course there are still threads and post that have relevance now….and I for one don’t think that they should be deleted. There where a lot of threads regarding creatures/towns/heroes/H4 that I’ve transferred to other forums (Library, Altar). There where also a lot of question threads that served no purpose anymore and where deleted.
I hope u all understand that I’m not randomly deleting stuff.
Is there any one that is missing some-thing so far?
The thing is that HC will (and is) getting slower and slower.
Valeriy … correct me if I’m wrong but the forum mods will have to do some cleaning up in order for HC to gain (or maintain) the database speed it has now. In just a month, H4 will be here and I expect an increase in threads/posts. Unless Valeriy wins the lottery to buy some more server space, I think this (cleaning up) is the way to proceed.
Hexa
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Batvanio
Adventuring Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 08:46 AM |
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Congrats Djive for the constructive thinking, not destructive
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Observation: You'll not remedy this by deleting topics. This requires manual deletion of posts. This form of comments is as prevalent in good topics as poor topics.
Fully agree here. Lets not delete the topics, but only the spam posts. The criteria list for what is a spam post should be given by the moderators in the FAQ.
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"As for archiving the threads, they would need to be converted to HTML by someone."
When I made the Table of Contents for the Altar I tricked HC into making a one-page index page covering all topics currently posted in the Altar. I then used the Save Source command in my Browser, to get a HTML file.
Great idea. This can actually work. The source generated is a bit bigger then normal but still if Val has enough server space...
Deleteing posts and converting threads is time-consuming job.
My proposition here is some of the members to voluntarily be appointed as "cleaners" or ""bees". They could also have a status.
Their powers will be: converting to HTML the threads for the ARCHIVE. And reporting to moderators the spam posts of the converted thread: e.g. Thread: "Hit&Run" has 5 spam posts - 3,7,8,102,312(these are the ID numbers of the posts)
Then the mods will delete the threads and the posts from the database.
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This would mean that the Deleted Topics would be stored with the actual statuses the user had when the HTML files was created. Things like: User Defined Status, Selected Avatar, Red stars, and Yellow stars would be locked and display the same way even if the user profile changed.
Yes the status and the avatars will be locked. This is not a problem. The problem I see.. How could the posts will be counted in the Html code? To manually count each one and then add it to the postcount is impossible. Any suggestions here?
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This would mean that to display these HTML files all you need is a Master File, that contains links to all the Topic Files. This file, we will need to update manually as we deletete Topics and it too will be in HTML.
A master file with indexes and topics will be good. Because the ARCHIVE will get bigger and bigger and it should be tidier and searchable.
I am happy that someone supports the idea of creating a history archive. It is not good for a Community to live day by day and not accumulating anyhting, it will be just a posting board then and the easiest thing for Val will be to automatically set the database to delete threads older than xxx days. And ARCHIVE will generally solve any future growing problems.
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Milena
Responsible
Supreme Hero
in supreme disgrace
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posted February 19, 2002 08:59 AM |
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I disgaree
First, hun, congrats. As I said, I have more reasons to be sad with this position than happy but I'm sure you'll do your job.
I disagree about the ocking status. I like changing it once in a few months! If I feel sad or screw things up, I will be "in disgrace" but if my life goes well, I would want to get rid of that title! Locking the status is stupid, me thinks.
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Nickman77
Famous Hero
from Poland.
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posted February 19, 2002 09:04 AM |
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Hey Lith!!!!
You are MOD! CONGRAT
Hexa said all those useless threads should be mixed up together. But what for? And it wouldn`t be very good idea, cos Newbies didn`t know about it.
I think usless threads should be deleted, I agree with deleting all of my threads, cos I know they are useless.
And there wouldn`t be as many supremes as it`s now. Spamming wouldn`t be problem  . LOL
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted February 19, 2002 09:11 AM |
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All know hexa going to erase my threads shoot lol darn
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Batvanio
Adventuring Hero
Archimage
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posted February 19, 2002 09:20 AM |
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First, hun, congrats. As I said, I have more reasons to be sad with this position than happy but I'm sure you'll do your job.
I disagree about the ocking status. I like changing it once in a few months! If I feel sad or screw things up, I will be "in disgrace" but if my life goes well, I would want to get rid of that title! Locking the status is stupid, me thinks.
Milena I think you didn't get it right. The status will be locked only in the Archived threads, not in the community 
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Djive
Honorable
Supreme Hero
Zapper of Toads
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posted February 19, 2002 09:38 AM |
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Great idea. This can actually work. The source generated is a bit bigger then normal but still if Val has enough server space...
Deleteing posts and converting threads is time-consuming job.
My proposition here is some of the members to voluntarily be appointed as "cleaners" or ""bees". They could also have a status.
You don't need to be a Mod or an Admin to do this. That's the good part of it. You can create the HTML file from the existing scripts, the only limiting is if you can't list all replies in one topic in one reply. (This particular item might be hardcoded to 20, but then if it's not there's no problem.)
I can see now that some things in the header will have to be manually deleted. The commercial banner can't stay because once it's in the HTML code it will always show the same commercial, and this commercial may no longer support HC. Thus it should go.
The Donation text will show historic information and should probably also go, and the same applies to some of the other initial texts. So the start of each HTML-file will have to be manually edited.
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Their powers will be: converting to HTML the threads for the ARCHIVE. And reporting to moderators the spam posts of the converted thread: e.g. Thread: "Hit&Run" has 5 spam posts - 3,7,8,102,312(these are the ID numbers of the posts)
Then the mods will delete the threads and the posts from the database.
Threads should be tidied up (if needed) before you create the HTML file. You don't want to search the generated HTML file for the concerned posts. That is a lot more work.
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Yes the status and the avatars will be locked. This is not a problem. The problem I see.. How could the posts will be counted in the Html code? To manually count each one and then add it to the postcount is impossible. Any suggestions here?
I'm afraid they can't, or it would require the admin to make two scripts for deleting posts, one which affect post counts and one which doesn't. As Val said above the stars are meant to indicate your current engagement in HC, not that of last year.
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This would mean that to display these HTML files all you need is a Master File, that contains links to all the Topic Files. This file, we will need to update manually as we deletete Topics and it too will be in HTML.
The file would be created after you've applied any clean-up to the topic and before you delete it. You may not have to delete it immediately. Closing it would be enough, and then you could give it a grace period to make sure that the generated file is OK.
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A master file with indexes and topics will be good. Because the ARCHIVE will get bigger and bigger and it should be tidier and searchable.
I'm afraid that you can't expect better than using Google or an index in a Thread/HTML page. Much like the Table of Contents you have now..
About locking the status... I'm afraid that this is inevitable without making dedicated scripts for this. You'll appear as you were when the Thread was deleted. And it seems to me that there's too much work involved in removing this. Nothing short of a second script dedicated for this, which generates the HTML file a bit differently (excluding this status) would solve this.
A second script, however, may be reasonable request as long as we just remove things.
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malkia
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 09:47 AM |
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okay why we need to complexify the things so much?
Aren't we just chatting here?
who cares about QP's, post-counts, status, ailments here after all?
Are we meta-chating actually here?
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Batvanio
Adventuring Hero
Archimage
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posted February 19, 2002 09:57 AM |
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Oops Djive
On second thought you are right, the threads should be tidy
before HTML-ing. So the members could help the mods only in the convertion, not in the censorship.
@malkia - I don't think it is the stars and the postcounts problem. We can go without this if we have to. The problem is that many good posts can be deleted in the future due to speed problems. Lets save them in some way. Don't you agree?
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Hexa
Responsible
Legendary Hero
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posted February 19, 2002 10:01 AM |
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BTW I think u are taking this way to serious .... in one year you will have probably found another interest like most members and never look at HC again...
But if you do have the freetime to do the stuff you outlined (Djive and Batvanio) it would be great!@
Hexa
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insatiable
Supreme Hero
Ultimate N00bidity
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posted February 19, 2002 10:10 AM |
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“What’s you favorite color?”
Hey-hey-hey Lith!..kick some butt boy
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RMS
Responsible
Legendary Hero
-ing yummy foods
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posted February 19, 2002 12:45 PM |
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...since I'm never around anymore, its all fair...I'll stick arounnd and pretend I'm still doing something constructive, and you guys do all the work from now on. I don't mind
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Romana
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Thx :D
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posted February 19, 2002 01:08 PM |
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even if you DO mind RMS I don't think they care much..atleast now something constuctive will be done to make the tavern a more enjoyable place...
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