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NoobX
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posted April 09, 2013 07:38 AM |
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Personally, I don't really care how much time it took for God to create the world, point is He did.
What created God? If you say that he exsisted forever, then why is the fact that matter exsisted forever so weird to religious people? (the ones I know, at least)
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 07:43 AM |
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Even the basics are wrong Drakon. It is impossible to reasonably adapt their "databank" to ours without stretching logic like Mr. Fantastic. These are so simple facts I feel strange debating about them. Just play the "it's faith, it is not reason" hand, it's not a flush royal but even that makes more sense.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 09, 2013 07:44 AM |
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@ Noobie Even some scientists agree there must have been something that started everything , called Primal Cause. We call it God. Saying matter existed forever is ruling God out of the equation, that's why it's unacceptable to some.
I believe anyone can believe what he/she wishes. It's not offensive to me if you say you don't believe in God but if you say I'm stupid because I believe, that's another thing. Not that you did of course, I was merely saying it.
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gnomes2169
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posted April 09, 2013 07:55 AM |
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@ Artu: Actually, translating them wrong was more of a PR move, to make the God-Creator seem more powerful and mystical. Or did you think that the power-hungry ancient catholic church (who sort of introduced the error) wouldn't accidentally a more powerful almighty being?  And it makes perfect sense when you take it as, "In the first allotment of time God said Let there be Light, derp derp derp." The "Unspecified" would have been more of a flavoring to the word, and not the word itself, a thing that has slowly stopped existing in our modern english, french, spanish and german.  We would call it a connotation, I guess. A strong connotation, but a connotation none-the-less. And we have no real word that can function like that, so it is kept as "Day" for simplicity in today's modern bible.
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 08:02 AM |
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Actually, translating them wrong was more of a PR move
Historically, yes. Which is not contradictory to what I think of today's alternative translation efforts. Not specifically this example though, what you say makes sense.
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gnomes2169
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posted April 09, 2013 08:04 AM |
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Also they (Catholic church) refused to see there was a verse that said the Earth is circular and hanged upon nothing and preferred to state that it was flat because it was the norm.
Not... really. After nautical travel became possible, no one with any kind of education really believed in a flat earth. The Romans disproved it so hard that it was an accepted fact that the earth was around by the time Christ was born. Hell, the Greeks even knew it. Now, what you are thinking of is likely the Heleo centric vs. Geo centric solar system argument (The earth being the center of the solar system instead of the sun). The funny thing about that is, the pope wasn't persecuting Galileo so much for his ideals as he was throwing the guy in a tower for insulting the pope and basically burning him in effigy. XD In other words, the resistance to the change came more from Galileo being an ***hat than from resistance to changing traditional ideas, from the catholic church at least.
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Zenofex
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posted April 09, 2013 08:06 AM |
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There are many things in the Bible which are open for interpretation and could have been translated incorrectly, point is that people are very selective regarding their meaning. If they fit the general idea, then they can be translated in the most "scientific" way possible and this will prove once more that science and religion do not work against each other. If they don't - well, these are millennia old texts, the new translations can't possibly be better than the old ones, can they? That's the best part about the religious thinking - you can always pick the most convenient option and still feel intellectually honest.
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 08:16 AM |
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There are many things in the Bible which are open for interpretation and could have been translated incorrectly, point is that people are very selective regarding their meaning.
Also some of those alphabets (Arabic for instance) are not exactly phonetic and it is literally possible to read one word in two ways.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 09, 2013 08:17 AM |
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Yes, I agree gnomes. I don't approve of what the CC did, but then again it was all hunderds of years ago, recently more nice guys like John Paul II have come.
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Damacon_Ace
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posted April 09, 2013 09:37 AM |
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I think people should have the freedom to express their religion. There seems to be a larger growing feeling of anti-Christian resentment around the world. Is the end approaching?
Maybe I should go back to read the Bible a bit...when I feel the nerve to do so.
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master_learn
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walking to the library
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posted April 09, 2013 09:46 AM |
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From the modern point of view,even if you measure evolution and history of earth in millions(or other number) of years,every year still would include 12 months,which would include the 4 weeks,which will have exactly 7 days.
So basically every event(not only the known ones) in history has happened on one of the week days(if it does not include more days in its process).
So yes,you can read the holy texts,interpret them and make a summary (conclusions)for you,NOT NECESSARILY becoming an atheist after that.
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 09:52 AM |
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From the modern point of view,even if you measure evolution and history of earth in millions(or other number) of years,every year still would include 12 months,which would include the 4 weeks,which will have exactly 7 days.
What on earth are you talking about? The calender is an invention, not a discovery. There are many calenders of different civilizations and not all of them has 12 months, 7 days etc etc
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 09, 2013 09:53 AM |
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Damacon Ace, you're much older than me even. When you registered, I mean. Welcome back.
You shouldn't read the Bible unless you really want to.
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master_learn
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posted April 09, 2013 09:55 AM |
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@artu,I figured if you are interested ONLY in Christianity(as topic),than my example should include ONLY our calendar.
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 09:57 AM |
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I think people should have the freedom to express their religion. There seems to be a larger growing feeling of anti-Christian resentment around the world.
They do have that just as usual. Non-religious people started to use the same freedom too (and in a very peaceful manner compared to your history I might add). That's what looks very unusual to you.
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@artu,I figured if you are interested ONLY in Christianity(as topic),than my example should include ONLY our calendar.
Then what's the difference, something called a month or a year do not exist in nature. What you're saying is if we can split time in twelve periods we can split it in twelve periods. It's called a tautology. And I have nothing against Christianity IN SPECIFIC. You are the guys bringing it up, I started writing here opposing to the 50/50 agnosticism.
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Hobbit
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posted April 09, 2013 10:19 AM |
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I think people should have the freedom to express their religion. There seems to be a larger growing feeling of anti-Christian resentment around the world.
And what is "anti-Christian resentment" for you?
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artu
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posted April 09, 2013 10:25 AM |
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Probably this:
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Drakon-Deus
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posted April 09, 2013 10:35 AM |
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Come on artu, we both know that pic's nowhere near reality.
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Hobbit
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posted April 09, 2013 10:43 AM |
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artu
Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted April 09, 2013 10:46 AM |
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The guy who cries "there seems to be a larger growing feeling of anti-Christian resentment around the world" calls us "radical leftist lunatics" because we defend the current state of abortion being legal. We become radicals even by defending the current state. The picture is fine Drakon, and don't forget caricature is the art of exaggeration.
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