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Elodin
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posted August 19, 2011 03:24 AM
Edited by Elodin at 03:24, 19 Aug 2011.

Obama should be impeached

He is not only refusing to carry out the law (as the head of the executive branch), he is thumbing his nose at Congress by implementing immigration policy that Congress rejected.

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Obama Administration to Review All Deportation Cases, Apply DREAM Act-Style Criteria

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The Obama administration announced Thursday that it would launch a case-by-case review of illegal immigrants slated for deportation, in a move that could grant a reprieve to so-called DREAM Act beneficiaries and thousands of others.

The DREAM Act is a proposal in Congress to give illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children a chance at legal status if they complete two years of college or military service. Though the bill has not passed, supporters and critics alike suggested Thursday's announcement could serve to unilaterally carry out its provisions.

A spokeswoman with the Federation for American Immigration Reform described the new policy as "blanket amnesty."

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But FAIR described the announcement as a complete overhaul of immigration law without approval by Congress.

"Having failed in the legislative process, the Obama administration has simply decided to usurp Congress's constitutional authority and implement an amnesty program for millions of illegal aliens," FAIR President Dan Stein said. "This step by the White House amounts to a complete abrogation of the president's duty to enforce the laws of the land and a huge breach of the public trust. ... In essence, the administration has declared that U.S. immigration is now virtually unlimited to anyone willing to try to enter -- and only those who commit violent felonies after arrival are subject to enforcement."





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posted August 19, 2011 02:47 PM
Edited by tsar-ivor at 14:53, 19 Aug 2011.

It sounds like a great thing imo, I agree with Obama with this one, he's the head of state, by the will of the people, parhaps he needs to change some laws too and disband the foolish congressman just to show them who's boss ()...Sorry not too well aquainted with american politics, but I'm sure if Obama really wanted he could do it.


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Shyranis
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posted August 19, 2011 04:03 PM

Meh, just yet another president to throw on the pile of "should have been impeached".
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posted August 19, 2011 04:11 PM

I don't see the problem.
They directly bypassed porking of the bill, and the bill makes sense. If you have completed 2 years of proper college education, you are now a resource, and you have proven that you have the brain resources needed to get things done.
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Elodin
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posted August 19, 2011 11:08 PM

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It sounds like a great thing imo, I agree with Obama with this one, he's the head of state, by the will of the people, parhaps he needs to change some laws too and disband the foolish congressman just to show them who's boss ()...Sorry not too well aquainted with american politics, but I'm sure if Obama really wanted he could do it.




The thing is in the US there is a separation of powers of the government in the legislative, judicial, and executive branch. The President is the head of the executive branch, which is tasked with carrying out the law. Instead he is ignoring Congress, refusing to carry out laws, and making up his own laws. He is a would be dictator.

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Shyranis
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posted August 19, 2011 11:30 PM

Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Raegan, Carter... it keeps going.

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posted August 20, 2011 12:00 AM

We the people can talk all we want.  

Personally I thought Bush should have been impeached for war crimes.  

I won't be surprised though if the republican house again invokes the Articles of Impeachment on a sitting democratic president.  The right simply refuses to accept the validity of a democratic presidency.

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posted August 20, 2011 06:49 AM

Easy for you to say Shyranis.
I for one enjoyed the ninties when Clinton was President.

Obama should of been impeached in the first year.


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Shyranis
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posted August 21, 2011 12:08 AM
Edited by Shyranis at 00:08, 21 Aug 2011.

I'm not saying I personally agree with each and every President being impeached, but it seems like people from whatever opposite party always says their opposing president should be impeached. I also enjoyed the 90's, but I was just passing along the sentiment I hear spouted by people of different viewpoints and merging them into one =p

Yes, Obama should have been impeached for promising to end all of the stuff Bush should have been impeached for but instead continuing or even enhancing it. Basically, these two Presidents have completely ignored the rule of law.
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posted August 21, 2011 06:24 AM

Most women would love to see Clinton impeached at that time.
He broke other rules

He puffed but he did not inhale

Plus he did not have any relations!
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Elodin
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posted August 21, 2011 07:02 PM
Edited by Elodin at 19:07, 21 Aug 2011.

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Just like Bush, Clinton, Bush, Raegan, Carter... it keeps going.


I'm not sure what you are claiming each of those presidents did that is worthy of impeachment and I don't agree that those should have been impeached except for Clinton, who lied under oath. That should have gotten him impeached and thrown in jail, as a normal citizen would have been.

However, this thread is about Obama and whether or not he should be impeached.

He is trying to get around Congress in another matter as well. His idiotic cap and trade policy was defeated in Congress so he is directing the EPA to do pretty much what he wanted the cap and trade legislation to do. The EPA is about to finalize policies that will shut down most coal plants. 45-54%  of the US electricity is generated through coal plants. Electricity prices will skyrocket and there will be rolling blackouts. Not to mention the additional unemployment.

He stated during the campaign that his policies would cause the prices of electricity to skyrocket and soon that will be the case. He has little hope of being reelected and is determined to implement his policies legally or not.

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Shyranis
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posted August 21, 2011 07:57 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 20:00, 21 Aug 2011.

I'm not defending the policy, but you realize that the majority of Republicans at the time before Obama said "That's a good idea, I'll use it" wanted Cap and Trade right? Same thing with the "Job killing healthcare reform public option". Would people honestly prefer Universal Healthcare over the Republican drafted Public option? Which had been supported by the majority of Republicans since the time of Nixon? (Probably if it was implemented properly, probably not if it's not, so higher chance of not in your country given the people that would be running it)

All of the furor over those two things has been manufactured because all of a sudden the other party supports it after fighting it for years.

As for lying under oath, you should arrest every single person in Congress then. They're all a bunch of liars anyway.
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Elodin
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posted August 21, 2011 08:38 PM

@Shyranis

You are throwing red herrings at me and introducing off-topic issues. I could care less if in times past every single Republican sang the praises of man made global warming (they did not, though some had been fooled by charlatans). The issue is Congress saying "No!" to cap and trade and Obama giving them the middle finger salute and instituting the policies anyways through the EPA. Obama is not carrying out the duties of the executive branch and seems to feel like he can do whatever he wishes to do regardless of what the legislative branch says.

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As for lying under oath, you should arrest every single person in Congress then. They're all a bunch of liars anyway.


They are not on camera lying under oath during a trial or deposition for a trial as Clinton was.

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Shyranis
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posted August 22, 2011 04:34 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 17:52, 22 Aug 2011.

Red Herrings? I'm afraid not.

My point is that:

1) This isn't anything new.

2) This kind of thing only gets pointed out in american news by whatever news channel opposes the President doing the abuse.

Usually if the Associated Press runs a report of this nature, the "for" side ignores it completely.

Reports like this one about Bush doing the same thing, ignoring the laws he signed into law to begin with and the will of Congress.


Or this one (which has a stupid paywall to get more information)


Or this one which mentions the hugely bipartisan bill banning [url=http://www.slate.com/id/2168718/]"cruel, inhuman and degrading"[/url] treatment of detainees held here or abroad. Only, he tacked on a little something extra:

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The postscript was a statement clearly announcing that the president will only follow the new law "in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the president to supervise the unitary executive branch ... and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power." In other words, it is for the president—not Congress or the courts—to determine when the provisions of this bill interfere with his war-making powers, and when they do, he will freely ignore the law.



Here's one by The American Conservative magazine. Apparently a news source of real conservatives and not just Republican lackeys who ignore when it's "their" guy doing the same garbage.

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For generations, Republican politicians have spoken reverently of the rule of law. But since 2001, this hoary doctrine has been redefined to mean little more than the enforcement of the secret thoughts of the commander in chief.

George W. Bush has added more than 750 “signing statements” to new laws since he took office. Earlier presidents occasionally appended such comments to new statutes, but Bush is the first to use signing statements routinely to nullify key provisions of new laws. He perennially announces that he will not be bound by limits on his power and that he will scorn obligations to disclose how federal power is being used.

While Bush supporters speak glowingly of originalist interpretations of the Constitution, Bush’s signing statements have far more in common with George III than with George Washington. The Constitution specifies that Congress shall “make all laws” and that presidents must “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” But Bush—his ego swollen by swarms of groveling intellectuals—has embraced theories that convince him that the president alone may decree what shall be the law.


I'm not defending Obama, I think he's George W. Bush 2. He's doing the exact same stuff as his predecessor.

It's actually quite disgusting how these two parties squabble over many minor details, polarize the masses for one or the other and in the end, act the exact same way over all of the major decisions. Making the same immoral or unethical choices.


You want your country back Mr. Elodin? Tear down those two parties!



Oh, don't forget when Bush went against congress to sell 6 American ports to the United Arab Emirates, and threatened to veto any bill blocking the sale.

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Shyranis
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posted August 23, 2011 04:25 PM
Edited by Shyranis at 14:46, 24 Aug 2011.

On further inspection.

It looks like the big noise being made about the so called DREAM act enforcement was really just empty PR by the Obama camp. Funny how these things show up if you wait a week.

Obamas new deportation policy is PR spin, experts say

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The Obama administration announced last week that it will review "low-priority" deportation cases and allow certain illegal immigrants to remain in the country with work permits.

Reporters across the country jumped on the news, with many news outlets breathlessly reporting that the Obama administration will stop all deportations of immigrants without criminal records.

But Minnesota immigration experts point out that the feds' announcement echoes old memos about "enforcement priorities" and probably won't lead to much change in practice.


Obama should still be impeached for other things. Funny how all of the war mongering Republicans in congress DON'T want to impeach him like they should over not having congressional approval over Libya because he's using weapons to blow things up, which they approve of. (Note, there are non-war mongerers who do but they are too few)

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posted August 23, 2011 10:33 PM
Edited by Peacemaker at 22:37, 23 Aug 2011.

The essence of hypocricy

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...He is trying to get around Congress in another matter as well. His idiotic cap and trade policy was defeated in Congress so he is directing the EPA to do pretty much what he wanted the cap and trade legislation to do. The EPA is about to finalize policies that will shut down most coal plants. 45-54%  of the US electricity is generated through coal plants. Electricity prices will skyrocket and there will be rolling blackouts. Not to mention the additional unemployment.

He stated during the campaign that his policies would cause the prices of electricity to skyrocket and soon that will be the case. He has little hope of being reelected and is determined to implement his policies legally or not.


Where were you during the Bush Administration?

(Some of these made it impossible for me to enforce the law in my practice -- under a REPUBLICAN Attorney General...)

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/out-of-control_criticism_of_ep.html

"March 9, 2009: Obama to Review Bush Signing Statements  President Barack Obama orders a review of former President Bush’s signing statements. Bush often used signing statements to instruct administration officials how to implement, or to ignore, Congressional legislation and other laws (see Early 2005, January 13, 2006, and September 2007)...."

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?civilliberties_patriot_act=&timeline=civilliberties&startpos=600

http://www.law.duke.edu/journals/djclpp/index.php?action=downloadarticle&id=140
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Shyranis
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posted August 23, 2011 11:28 PM

Precisely, it's a continuation of the previous administration's policies.

It does not excuse anybody, but it helps put into perspective how nobody was whining about the practice when it benefited their party.

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posted August 23, 2011 11:40 PM

That's politics for you.
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Elodin
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posted August 24, 2011 03:47 AM

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Funny how all of the war mongering Republicans in congress DON'T want to impeach him like they should over not having congressional approval over Libya because he's using weapons to blow things up, which they approve of. (Note, there are non-war mongerers who do but they are too few)


Nah, Republicans are not warmongers. and they don't love blowing stuff up.

Funny how the American Marxists (democrats) always love redistributing America's wealth and pillaging American' military. If Code Pink (aka democrat party) had its way America they'd do to America's military what Carter did. They call America's brave fighting force murderers and terrorists. Most democrat pary leaders should be given a one way ticket to China.

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Here is democrat professor June Scorza Tepstra's view of her students who have been to Iraq:

These military and mercenary terrorist-students are trained in terrorist training camps all under the USA, funded by American taxpayers. In fact, people under the USA are “sacrificing” their health care and their children’s educations while donating their tax dollars to these terrorist training camps. These terrorist camps train money hungry working class stiffs to murder, steal and plunder for the power hungry US corporate war lords.



Obama: Soldier deaths = “Wasted” lives

Unfortunately most democrat leaders from the top down hate America, which is why Obama wanted to fundamentally transforum America. He has failed but will continue to try to pull tricks and institute his policies that can't make their way through Congress.

Clicky

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The Code Pink Democrats have harassed wounded soldiers and their families at military hospitals in Washington, D.C. and San Diego; they have repeatedly targeted military recruiting centers for abuse; they cruelly taunted the children of military families at a White House Halloween party; they have terrorized government officials at their homes and they have led a campaign for the kidnapping of former President Bush and his wife Laura (for this they enlisted the support of the Muslim Brotherhood).

Abroad, the Code Pink Democrats have worked with state sponsors of terrorism including the governments of Saddam Hussein, Cuba’s Castro brothers, Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Syria’s Bashar Assad as well as the anti-American governments of Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez, Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega and Bolivia’s Evo Morales.

In December 2008, the Code Pink Democrats led a shoe throwing protest in front of the White House to celebrate an incident in Baghdad when an Iraqi “journalist” threw his shoes at President George W. Bush. This encouragement of violence against Bush was a propaganda bouquet by the Code Pink Democrats to their terrorist allies aroud the world.

These Code Pink Democrats have also worked with terrorists including Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban, Sunni terrorists in Iraq and the father of Islamic terrorism: the Muslim Brotherhood. The Code Pink Democrats have bragged about giving cash and humanitarian aid to terrorists who target Americans, Israelis and free Iraqis.


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posted August 24, 2011 04:52 AM

Alright, enough baseless accusations Elodin (like this one):

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Unfortunately most democrat leaders from the top down hate America,

You said that this thread was about Obama and how he should be impeached. Now, I don't disagree with you there (he's just doing what Bush did, only more!), but I do not think that you should toss slander at an entire political entity whenever the opportunity presents itself.

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Code Pink (aka democrat party)

Sorry, different people, different group, different entity. If some "democrats" believe that they should take an extreme, it's their choice to do so. At that moment, they stop being democrats. This means that the entire entity of the Democratic party does not back them (though some might... traitors). Far from it, there are many democrats who support the use of necessary violence, and who respect wartime heroes. If they need to use it, then our (massive, unstoppable) war machine will be brought out to deal with the problem. Also, didn't a group of republicans make a plan that would balance the rise of debt that included cuts to welfare and military spending?

The non-national minded people in our country that don't give a rip about human life are on both sides of the political spectrum. Such people should probably go where they will be appreciated (... which would be an isolated corner of nowhere, BTW). Since they aren't doing anything but complaining about people willing to die for them anyway, they don't deserve to have such people around to protect them from anything. My two cents on that.
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