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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted March 04, 2002 02:31 AM |
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Mad Martigan is honorable for sure.
BossBo is fastly become notorious for valuing winning above all else.
He is like Flamingo without the skill.
I mentioned above episodes that he has been involved in and several other players have informed me of similar problems.
Seems all that matters is winning to him but I don't mind playing him for mvm.
It is not like he is verbally abusive or anything.
In fact I enjoy talking with him. I just think he needs to learn that his antics will not get him very far.
Pretty soon he will be like Flamingo and not be able to get anyone to play him.
-Mocara
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bossbodiddly
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 04, 2002 05:45 PM |
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Honorable play
"Then he replies me that that he is not willing to load the auto; that he would accept my resignation"
Now I dont know about anyone else, but the above quote from Madmardigan is not what the email said. In fact it said " I am willing to load the autosave" I went on to state my position with respect to this situation. I wanted him to know how I felt about re-loads due to player errors. I left the decision in his hands.
I have felt a certain pressure to be the "good guy" and yet the same type siuation has happened to me and I got no reload - it happens all the time to me. I lose my starting army day 1 or 2 in GW, I dont ask for a reload. I bite the bullet, pick another hero and try harder. I feel sad for the replies here that are clearly half-truths only intended to smear another player. I will say that when I play a "friend", what I will do and not do is entirely different from playing a "stranger" in a tournement game. With over 100 losses logged in TOH it should be evident that I dont put winning above all else, and that I play games, make mistakes and don't cry for a restart. My zone friends know that about me, and those of you who havent played with me can choose to believe what you want.
One last item, I believe those that post here should speak ONLY from their own experience, and not spread hearsay. It's spreading gossip. It is immature and speaks to the "personality" of the poster.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted March 04, 2002 08:22 PM |
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What U said was not "not willing to load the auto" in exact words but you implied it.
quote from your reply to me:
"since i offered i will load autosave, but i will say that i really dont like to do it since this is a tournement game. "
It is OK. U may not want to load the auto, naturally. However, what pissed me of that you open a thread and you try to show your opponent (in this case being me) as a "whiner"
Please think twice who is the "whiner" here.
In the game, I said (in exact words) "I concede, you win"
You offer to load the auto and then you say you "really don't like to do it since blah blah..." And when I reject to continue the game with you after realizing that you are not so eager to continue; you come up with this thread to prove that you are on the right and honorable place and I am a "whiner".
Again, think twice who "whines" about this game and the autosave thing.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted March 04, 2002 08:33 PM |
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honorable play?
So loading an auto makes the party who "loads" the auto "honorable" and the party who asked for it (or need it) "dishonorable?
Is this why you opened this thread Bossbodiddly?
In my opinion, loading an auto is just a matter of personality and the reason why you play Homm3.
If you are playing for fun and good time/game; you don't give a **** about reloading a game, when/if your oppoent tells you that he did something wrong or killed his main etc.
If you are playing for pts, gold, or whatever is the prize, you reject to load the auto, and ask your opponent to finish/continue the game that way; or to report loss.
None of these situations -playing for fun or for prize - makes a person "honorable" or "dishonorable".
Of course these are my opinion. Noone has to agree.
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bossbodiddly
Tavern Dweller
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posted March 04, 2002 09:10 PM |
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honorable play
I apologize to you madmardigan for the implication that you are a whiner. And yes, I am the whiner. I guess I try to do the "right" thing, but have the fear that other person would not it for me. I just played GW with Tumanic and said "I just had to retreat my main lost my army", I dont recall his response but the thought or desire to reload never crossed my mind. I knew I was likely to lose the game, but what a nice achievement if I could win.
I wont be responding to this thread further. I think I see the general drift from those who responded. Please note that I did not mention a name in my original post, and there was never any intention of making this personal to Madmardigan. I wanted feedback with respect to the issue, not the the individual. I am sorry if I have lost potential friend/s because of this matter. I do forget the bad and look for the good in others. I could have handled the whole situation better. I truely wished to see how others felt about this whole issue. I have my answer.
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madmartigan
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
who will never walk alone
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posted March 04, 2002 09:18 PM |
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no hard feelings
well, dude, it is true that you did not give my name. But it is not why I post here. Your not giving my name does not change a thing.
You did what you knew right. But you dont have any right to show your opponent (even though you do not reveal him) as a loser, whiner or a dishonorable person. This is what I reacted.
For your information, I had reported my loss already before I saw and posted in this thread.
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andiangelsla...
Disgraceful
Famous Hero
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posted March 04, 2002 09:30 PM |
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i just want to add that checking guilds is cheating, i know a bunch of bums who do it and even think its normal, you guys suck.
same goes for players that drop in a fight vs a strong monster, and than when they come back 10mins later they saved so you think all is ok:
dont be blinded peeps, they can load a save they made before the fight and play it until they satisfied with the outcome, thats why it can take so long till they come back.
so if you see someone dropping in such a fight and than coming back after some time, you usually know what to think, and can avoid that player if it happens more often in the future.
or if you cant see it, but saved every day, after game check the saves, look what they fought, and try doing it. if its risky and there was a drop on that turn, you know what obviously happened.
now of course that can happen to everyone, just if you notice a player where it happens too often.
thats just basically what players can do to protect themselves 
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 05, 2002 05:40 AM |
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So thief guilds is cheating & I did not know it or bother to think how it cheats.
I look at it in certain maps like 2 times in a game to see where I am at & who are you to say who sucks & who does'nt.
You should think before you reply because if there is a rule saying guilds is cheating then show me otherwise I think your comments is bum talking.
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Tristan
Promising
Known Hero
illegally insane
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posted March 05, 2002 07:01 AM |
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If you all can jump in here from a personal point of view, why shouldn't I?
I thought the original post by Bossbodiddly was well written, and it looked to me like he wanted to get a feel for how others thought. Obviously others did not see it the same way, and I was shocked at the "flaming" he took on it. I didn't answer myself because I didn't know, actually wondered the same thing myself.
Yes, I have played him, and found it an enjoyable game. I would not hesitate to play him again. If I make a mistake, I live with it, if I have lost because of it, I will concede. If my opponent wanted to finish the game to see "what if" I would do so if I had the time, but still report a loss. For this reason, I would not tend to offer someone a reload. (the gods know I make enough mistakes if you can't beat me with a few, you deserve a loss  ) If they asked, I don't know? I really don't care that much for points or records, so I might reload. On the other hand, I would never ask, so I might not.
The thing that bothers me, is that people who I have learned to respect get into these arguments, and I start to wonder...
PS Andi, TOH is NO RULES. I would think that would mean anything the game allows is fair play. Of course, that could have been sarcasm, in which case I find it tremendously funny.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 08:12 AM |
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Andi means checking MAGE guilds.
Like when someone drops and then build the guilds up to see what the spells are and then reconnects.
That cracks me up you guys getting all angry at him because of you thinking he meant thieves guild.
Tristan from what I understand BossBo used to be really fair but lately has ran into a LOT of problems.
That might explain why you feel the way you do about it.
I certanly can understand it.
But when I first contacted a ToH volenteer regarding his bahavior this volenteer said and I quote;
"Yes we get complaints on him almost everyday."
So between that and all the people I know who have had problems with him (myself included) then that might explain the negative reaction he got here.
He knows he is doing wrong and he has a very diplomatic tongue. But bottom line is he doing SOMETHING or else.
Aculias, Mad Martigan, Tumanic, Myself and 2 others who I talked to who asked not to be named have all had problems with him in the last 2 weeks.
Mad Martigan is telling the truth here. I have no doubt of it and as long as BossBo can get a cheap win then he will say whatever it takes AFTER HE HAS CLAIMED THE WIN WHICH HE NEVER EARNED.
-Mocara
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Tristan
Promising
Known Hero
illegally insane
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posted March 05, 2002 08:30 AM |
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I am SOOOOOOOOO embarrassed. I had never even considered checking MAGE guilds, not even in single play, so the thought did not occurr to me. On the other hand, I was not mad at anybody (and have yet to be for anything said on these boards) and honestly thought it was sarcasm and meant thieves guilds.
Sadly, I have been unable to play in quite some time now, so I really do not know what is going on anywhere (haven't even been to the zone in weeks) and I would never question madmartigans honour. I mean no ill towards anyone posting in this thread. (I really should make sure I am fully awake before posting )
One last thing, I still do not know if I myself would be considered dishonourable for refusing a reload in such a case (the situation has never come up with me) and would hate to do the wrong thing. I once accidently moved my harpy hags next to a bunch of dendroids instead of attacking them by mistake, I am sure you all can figure out the result of that, but I never even considered asking for a reload. Ah well, it may well be a matter of preference more than anything else.
{Edited to add}
Several times I have accidently left autocombat on, and it seems to increase my chances
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zsa
Famous Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 08:41 AM |
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I'd just like to say that checking Mage Guilds is just SICK. People who do that should really look up "Bjorn's Guide" to play honorably, cause they really need help.
About me now, I have asked for a reload 2 times in ToH. Both times against Zud, and both times because I had autosave on and I forgot to take it off .
I do a lot of F@uck-ups when I play, but never requested for a reload because I beleive it is only my fault (like not forgetting to build or forgetting to move hero). I never had any mouse slips so I cannot say anything about that  .
About Dropping when an important battle occurs, let me tell u a little game me and Elio had ( and it really was a small game )
I was playing stronghold , i had 3 behes at the main hero and I decide to get some extra troops (4 vampires) from a secondary hero. I attack a naga bank. I win but I loose the 4 vampires and 1 behemoth. I tell Elio about the fact that I lost 1 BEHE and after like 10 seconds I get disconnected from the internet :@ 3$#%$%53435 :@
I get back on the zone as fast as I can, and talk to him, tell him I am sorry about the disconnection and that it wasn't my fault. So we reload the autosave and I do the same moves.
This time, at the naga bank the places of the vamps and BEHE's are switched(when I transferred the troops, damn) so the 4 naga queens do a big blow on the Behe's (1st time they hit the vamps).
Also, with the "help" of 2 bad morales, I LOOSE the battle.
Elio prolly wanted to offer the reload but I resigned cause I didn't want to loose any more of Elio's time and because another reload wouldn't be fair to ask of him.
The thing is that I got DISCONNECTED at an important moment of the game, and, what I'm trying to say is that not everybody DROPS from the game, disconnections DO sometimes happen.
Not everyone is a Mean, BloodSucking Lich (no offense LichKing )
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Aculias
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Pretty Boy Angel Sacraficer
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posted March 05, 2002 09:45 AM |
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Sorry for the misunderstanding I had not the slightest idea of his specifications,Accept my apologies with humbleness so that parrot can go in the dresser.
Man luckily I was not drunk I might have to make an excuse up & say something even though I dont even know you whhew
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 10:01 AM |
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What I love about these arguments are the different faces making them (except the stalwarts) but it is just the same old sh1t, all done before.
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 10:21 AM |
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And you coming in here and saying that is the same old $hit as well.
Ironic isn't it?
-Mocara
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 10:34 AM |
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Of course it is.
I, like most people am sick of all the tossing, the me vs you bullsh1t.
Try something new.
BRING ON HEROES4!
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LichKing
Honorable
Known Hero
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posted March 05, 2002 11:46 PM |
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To Zsa
None taken, bud
As an afterthought, I'd just like to reiterate:
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.
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tewilligar
Famous Hero
Just another willigar
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posted March 06, 2002 02:41 AM |
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what?
tristan?is that really you?i thought you died or something!come back to the zone for a game bud!
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Mocara
Famous Hero
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posted March 06, 2002 10:08 AM |
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I, like most people am sick of all the tossing, the me vs you bullsh1t.
Try something new.
-Rychenroller
Who are you to speak for 'most people'.
If you don't like it..don't read it.
Any idiot can jump in and say "I don't like the way things are.". But what do you do to change it?
Just criticizing is lame and you are dead wrong.
People love to read the flame wars on here.
Just like when you come in to the chat room and say "Heroes3 is stupid...I'm sick of it.".
That is rediculous. You come to the H3 chatroom to tell everyone how dumb it is and how baldurs gate is so cool.
FYI my flame on Moto was actually requested by Moto himself.
If you don't like it add something better or shut the hell up.
-Mocara
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rychenroller
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted March 06, 2002 10:21 AM |
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Is that all you got? you sorry excuse.
Heroes isnt dumb...where did i say it? I said I was bored with it and would rather players Baldurs or something. I played the game for 3 years, how could I think it is dumb? Are you inventing logic as you go along? It seems so.
Dont put words in my mouth man, it makes you look more lame than you already are. I play 300 games for Toh, 180 for bastards, yeah it is so dumb, lol.
Maybe that is telling me something, nearly 500 games, mostly on XL maps that take 6-8 hours, my mind rotting away, and sitting here replying to some such as yourself.
Why am I bothering
Adios.
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