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Seraphim
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posted October 01, 2012 03:04 AM
Edited by Seraphim at 03:17, 01 Oct 2012.

Corruption index.

A picture every HC member should  see:




http://www.transparency.org/research/cpi/overview


It is the world corruption perception index:
Quote:
Since 1995, Transparency International (TI) publishes the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) annually ranking countries "by their perceived levels of corruption, as determined by expert assessments and opinion surveys." The CPI generally defines corruption as "the misuse of public power for private benefit." As of 2010, the CPI ranks 178 countries "on a scale from 10 (very clean) to 0 (highly corrupt)."


Video explanation

Corruption results


So people, are you living in a "Red" country or a pristine island of no corruption?

ps: listen to this music when watching that index. It makes it alot more dramatic.

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OmegaDestroyer
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posted October 01, 2012 03:39 AM
Edited by OmegaDestroyer at 03:41, 01 Oct 2012.

Oh that is total bs.  The US should at least be a 3.9 or 4.9.
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gnomes2169
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posted October 01, 2012 04:03 AM
Edited by gnomes2169 at 04:04, 01 Oct 2012.

Quote:
Oh that is total bs.  The US should at least be a 3.9 or 4.9.

I would agree, if bickering equaled corruption. Sadly it doesn't so we can't actually fire our reps... but the corruption we have is mostly in the House and between governmental agencies/ key government individuals. Besides the House, there are few sections of government that bribe tax payers directly or indirectly for support. Also, the USA doesn't go out of its way to fund terrorist cells and gangs to keep its people in line so that ensures us a place above 2-3...
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Darkshadow
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posted October 01, 2012 09:18 AM

According to the site there is no 3rd place since Finland shares the score with Denmark, the rank just jumps from 2nd to 4th.

Uhhh, just wanted to point that out
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master_learn
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posted October 01, 2012 10:46 AM

Here is a quote of who the founder works for:
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Transparency International was born of the growing realisation in the 1980s-90s that corruption was directly undermining efforts to fight poverty and further development in the world’s poorest countries. While working for the World Bank, Transparency International's founder, Peter Eigen, saw that major contracts for power plants, highways or telephone networks were awarded so as to line the pockets of government officials with little regard for the communities they were supposed to be benefitting.

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Zenofex
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posted October 01, 2012 11:33 AM
Edited by Zenofex at 11:35, 01 Oct 2012.

"Misuse of public power for private benefit" is such a broad definition that the survey becomes rather pointless (like all surveys based on vague definitions). Does for example funding one politician's campaign and expecting him to return the favour when he gets the respective position counts as corruption - because it's among the most wide-spread methods and will make the map much more reddish.

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GunFred
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posted October 01, 2012 12:40 PM

Just look at those socialist north european countries. People must be very unhappy there under the tyranny of their governments...
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Doomforge
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posted October 01, 2012 01:09 PM

Quote:
as determined by expert assessments and opinion surveys


which means made up on the spot
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JoonasTo
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posted October 01, 2012 01:52 PM

So most of you guys were totally ignorant of this for the last decade?

Wow, nice going there.
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Tsar-Ivor
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posted October 01, 2012 02:31 PM

By rights, shouldn't each state be examined individually?

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Corribus
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posted October 01, 2012 03:19 PM
Edited by Corribus at 15:20, 01 Oct 2012.

In general, and as I have implied before, I'm not a big fan of these sociopolitical indexes.  It's not often clear how they're calculated, and even if you can tease out those kinds of details, you quickly find that what is used to measure them doesn't always make a whole lot of sense.  In the Quality of Life index, for example, one of the factors that was used for assessment was a feeling of community, which was estimated by ranking average citizens' attendance at church.  Not particularly scientific.  Anyway, these kinds of things can be made to show whatever the person making them wants to show, so I don't really see a whole lot of value to it.

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blizzardboy
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posted October 02, 2012 12:02 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 01:51, 02 Oct 2012.

Botswana is a boss. **** standard of living in the middle of landlocked Africa and it still contends with We-Sunburn-Like-Pussies Land. 1/10th of a point away from Spain.

edit: Wow, Italy is lower than South Africa. Strong mafia influence in government.

edit: omg Chile is beating us. **** you Chile. Index is skewed. Doesn't take llamas into account.
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Minion
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posted October 02, 2012 04:09 AM

Italy comes as a surprise to you? Prime minister who for example when caught on numerous illegal activities, passed laws to so he could not be trialed on them. Nothing fishy about that.. hehe. And quite a boss he was, at the young age of 70 he entertained 17 year old girls. That is something that.
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blizzardboy
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posted October 02, 2012 04:22 AM

I read somewhere that a lot of the wind farms in Italy are actually owned by the mafia.. Criminal syndicates making a profit by tapping into green technology. Mind = blown.
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The_Horn
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posted October 02, 2012 10:42 AM

Serbia should have 0

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NoobX
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Now, this is a paradox...
posted October 02, 2012 02:36 PM

Quote:
Serbia should have 0


Agreed.

Even though I know only a little about the politics and the economy, I claim that Serbia is not less corrupted than Russia. But you can't blame us - we've been always attacked by everyone and we always had to defend ourselves and live a hard life.

Looking at the map, I see that poor states are the ones most affected by corruption and that all of the Slavic states fall under that category, except Poland which is somewhere in the middle.

All in all, I have nothing good to say about this topic.
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xerox
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posted October 02, 2012 03:12 PM

it's kinda sad actually

seeing rich people exploit the poor in those countries

wow, does that make me a marxist now? O.o

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Tsar-Ivor
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posted October 02, 2012 03:47 PM

Quote:
it's kinda sad actually

seeing rich people exploit the poor in those countries

wow, does that make me a marxist now? O.o


Yes, it does.
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Minion
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posted October 02, 2012 04:09 PM

A swede is a marxist by definition anyways.
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xerox
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posted October 02, 2012 08:05 PM

"but it's good in theory!"

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