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Zenofex
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posted September 03, 2016 09:20 PM |
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Can you stop polluting at least the decent threads in this forum with your kindergarten nobody-asked-for-it Internetz troll opinion?
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frostysh
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posted September 04, 2016 08:15 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 08:21, 04 Sep 2016.
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Zenofex said:
Can you stop polluting at least the decent threads in this forum with your kindergarten nobody-asked-for-it Internetz troll opinion?
This is a free forum Jack, but not a forum for a degree-in-Philosophy guys only.
If you think that my posts is "a trolling", and proclaiming it without the any clues, I think this is your own Philosophical issue. . . 
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Zenofex
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posted September 04, 2016 08:42 AM |
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Yup, but some threads require a minimum level of literacy to participate adequately in them. Attention-starved word ejaculations with pretensions for "opinion" don't count. You'll never become samrt that way. Or smart for that matter.
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frostysh
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posted September 04, 2016 09:31 AM |
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Edited by frostysh at 09:34, 04 Sep 2016.
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Zenofex -
This is going a little bit into the offtopic, but I will try to stay close to the thread topic as I can.
Zenofex said:
Yup, but some threads require a minimum level of literacy to participate adequately in them.
Indeed I have saw adequacy and knowledge in this one "critics of frostysh' posts"
Zenofex said:
Can you stop polluting at least the decent threads in this forum with your kindergarten nobody-asked-for-it Internetz troll opinion?
Bravo!  If we gonna going into Philosophy stuff, this is actually does not require a special knowledge, and the advanced knowledge, imho, especially about Idealism and Materialism.
As I said, I have a very good examples when the Materialism become the Idealism - Dialectical materialism, and the almost opposite case, but with the same structure and roots - Aryan Physics, in this both case, someone tried to deny the Idealism or the Materialism, or trying to adopt Nature to their Idealism. or something like that.
And obviously with the pity results .
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"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein
Zenofex said:
Attention-starved word ejaculations with pretensions for "opinion" don't count.
Thank you, I am actually using this pattern to avoid , hmm, the influence of your previous post .
Zenofex said:
You'll never become samrt that way. Or smart for that matter.
In which way I will never become a smart guy? But anyway, I think that was a bad idea to ask, , just . No, thank you  , I will be on my way... .
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Zenofex
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posted September 04, 2016 10:25 AM |
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Well, your posts are long and boring and suck by default. Criticism as good as it gets.
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kipshasz
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posted September 04, 2016 10:48 AM |
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Zenofex said:
Well, your posts are long and boring and suck by default. Criticism as good as it gets.
best thing to do is ignore this analphabetic antifa troll. Or duke it out in VW.
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frostysh
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posted September 04, 2016 11:36 AM |
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Zenofex - Nah, my posts about Deutch Physics and SU Dialmat is a very cool example of the same things but in the different, I have do not know the proper word in English, in the different outside interiors.
IMHO this Philipp Lenard's stuff is a very close to the
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For this reason, the task of orthodox Marxism, its victory over Revisionism and utopianism can never mean the defeat, once and for all, of false tendencies. It is an ever-renewed struggle against the insidious effects of bourgeois ideology on the thought of the proletariat. Marxist orthodoxy is no guardian of traditions, it is the eternally vigilant prophet proclaiming the relation between the tasks of the immediate present and the totality of the historical process. (§5)
György Lukács
In the both cases the human tried to abuse the Nature with his own laws, the absolute laws, of course the laws was created due to the partical human level of the Nature understanding :F .
And of course the both ideas have collapsed. But if be more preciasly the commie stuff was little bit mroe close to the reality, anyway, the both Dialmat and Aryan Physics is a nonsense.
To be said, in SU the Quantum Mechanics, the Relativism, the Genetics, and so on was forbidden for some time, and jewish folks has been repressed, lose their jobs in Universities, and so on. It is the same happens in the Nazi German too.
A very good example is Lev D. Landau, - the famous Theoretical Physicist on the Earth. He is after some time of his "pro-commie" position, decided that the commie stuff sux , but he did a huge mistake - he said about it to another peoples .
The result was a too pity for him .
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LANDAU in Lubyanka prison, 1938. This photo is from the KGB archives.
Lev Landau, Prosocialist Prisoner of the Soviet State
The much more poor fact that the number of such "Landau" was a very huge.. And of course not the all Scientists were so lucky that Landau was, and many of them saw their last days in the shooting chambers of special services or in the very unpleasant places such as Siberia . . .
So as I said, my example is cool, and your critics is stupid, at least for now.
kipshasz - man! You see there a bright and smart peoples are talking, go to learn your minimum knowledge before you will be allowed to post there! REJECTED! REJECTED!
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Celfious
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posted September 04, 2016 01:10 PM |
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Im trying to get the complete thorough understanding of both but from the looks of it it seems incomplete to say there is no middle ground between the two. I believe words are symbols, symbolizing idealist concept of materialistic subjects. As well as "non material"
Materialisim is not limited to physical properties right?
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Baronus
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posted September 04, 2016 01:41 PM |
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In philosophy idealism is opposite to realism.
Idealism is non realistic thinking. Things from my inside without nature observations.
Realism is thinking with confirming reality.
Opposite to materialism is sipritualism like M&M games. Spirit magic counter body magic.
In this picture we have Aristoteles who represent induction as a way philosophical thinking. Nature reaserching.
Plato represent deduction as a method. Ideas researching.
We have two roads as you see. Both are needed.
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frostysh
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posted September 04, 2016 02:11 PM |
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The Materialism and Realism, it is little bit different things imho.
Things like Justice, cannot be measured, the concentration of Justice cannot be obtained due to the experiment, we have no evidences that the something like Justice took it's place in the Nature.
But even if will be no human on the Earth that will uses this word, or a more important the meaning of this word, I will create the Justice in my Mind, and I will believe into it.
Idealistic, it is - yeah, of course. But I think Materialism sux without such things like Justice, so I have a hell no idea how to live without Idealism.
And I have show the good examples of the critical conditions, when the organizations has been tried to deny Materialism or Idealism.
I think the same is with almost the all peoples on the earth. They is need for Idealism as I am.
Also I want to believe in the Santa-Claws . He is cool. I am joking...
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posted September 05, 2016 07:17 AM |
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I've reopened the thread. It will be cleaned eventually.
Frostysh - Unfortunately for you, you've cultivated for yourself a nice little reputation for thread killing and flooding now and you're going to have to work hard to reverse it. Resurrecting years-old threads and adding little to them isn't going to help you do that.
Zenofex, you've already been issued two warnings, so the time for warnings is over. Insulting other members is against the rules, as you well know. If you don't care for the way someone else is posting, ignore them or contact a moderator.
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frostysh
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posted September 06, 2016 01:11 PM |
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Corribus -
And where in this thread I can see the real applications of the Materialism and Idealism that I have mentioned above? Perhaps I have read the stuff with no , I do nto know a proper word in the English language, with no carefulness, yeah, with no carefulness!
I do not know, but I think the applications to the real life of this two Philosophican Way of Thinking is a much more important than just endless discussion about the "philosophical spheres" 
IMHO, a perfect examples of the such stuff, is a Dialmat of commies, and National Physics , of the nazi guys. And I saw that NO ONE, have posted the stuff about a GREAT Scientists that suffer horrible things, that because their Philosophy was a little bit different from the mainstream
Examples of such fates: Nikolai Vavilov, Lev Landau, Werner Heisenberg, and there are a many others, of course.
I thought it is a very interesting stuff, and as I see, usually the only Theoretical Scientists is suffering for a little consequences because of their Philosophy.. But an Engineers, usually doing things and not asking a dangerous questions. I have no disrespect to the Engineer Scientists, just a making the attention to some facts. Of course if the Engineer is good, he/she will ask a many questions..
About the my own reputation on this particular forum, I do not know what you are talking about, but to be hones in my real life I have a little care about my reputation... So I have doubts that I should have some care about my reputation on this forum, of course I have no disrespect to the forum itself, and the more important to the forum members
Thread killing  - I cannot kill the thread, you are moderator, you can, but not me.
Flood - perhaps I have lot of time to posts on forum the stuff, so my posts is a too, is a too, I do not know the proper English word, is a a too many of it per single amount of time! This crazy English language ...  . I think we can name it as flood.
The hard work to correct and improve my habits - , I do not know, as far as I remember myself, i.e. from the 6-years old age, I was that I is for now. But in my ~6 years, I have lie to peoples for too much, but I have believe in my lie too! I have creating the stories about mythical things, and lying about it to children around, if someone has a doubts in my stories I have always creating something that can annihilate this doubts, automatically, like this is an instinct . But the after some time, I have realized that my stories is just an imagination of my own, and have a little connection to the real world around, and I am actually lying to the peoples! . And that how I have understand how the mass controlling ideologies is working. From that time have changed nothing, I am an eternal child with an incredible ability to say something near to the truth, when it is very undesirable, ahh, and so on, I cannot change it, it is too difficult for me, so I just living as is , and I have a doubts that any hard work can change it so easily  .
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posted September 06, 2016 04:47 PM |
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frostysh,
Please do not test my patience any further. If you don't know the meaning of those terms, then it is an(other) indication that you haven't read the posting rules at Heroes Community, as these terms are all defined very clearly there. I will even helpfully provide a link. You might want to read rule # 4 several times.
This kind of off-topic gobbledygook is, by the way, the exact kind of stuff I'm talking about. This is now your official warning. Please stay on topic and try to contribute positively. More off-topic junk posting will result in penalties.
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