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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 03, 2015 05:43 PM |
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 05, 2015 05:55 PM |
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 05, 2015 06:19 PM |
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 05, 2015 11:12 PM |
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markkur
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
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posted November 06, 2015 09:11 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
I don't usually care about music from animated movies, but this, wow!
The Hobbit - The Greatest Adventure
The one with vocals by Glenn Yarborough is great too.
Nice find. We differ on the latter. I have the DVD and I would MUCH rather they'd had this one on than Yarborough's version. Idk, warbling in Fantasy just never fit for my ear. Birds warbling probably would though. 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 06, 2015 12:32 PM |
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markkur said:
Drakon-Deus said:
I don't usually care about music from animated movies, but this, wow!
The Hobbit - The Greatest Adventure
The one with vocals by Glenn Yarborough is great too.
Nice find. We differ on the latter. I have the DVD and I would MUCH rather they'd had this one on than Yarborough's version. Idk, warbling in Fantasy just never fit for my ear. Birds warbling probably would though.
I also like Mr. Yarbrough's voice. I believe the instrumental is played over the end credits. 
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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 06, 2015 10:34 PM |
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Edited by orzie at 22:35, 06 Nov 2015.
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markkur
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Once upon a time
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posted November 07, 2015 07:38 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
I also like Mr. Yarbrough's voice. I believe the instrumental is played over the end credits.
Then, if you've not heard it...I bet you'd jam-on the ending of 'Crimson and Clover' 
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 07, 2015 09:39 PM |
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markkur said:
Drakon-Deus said:
I also like Mr. Yarbrough's voice. I believe the instrumental is played over the end credits.
Then, if you've not heard it...I bet you'd jam-on the ending of 'Crimson and Clover'
Depends on who's singing.
Here's the sung version of the Hobbit 1977 main theme, if anyone is curious...
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead...
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 08, 2015 01:10 AM |
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orzie said:
Your response is an inspired awe or a getting-old joke?
Neither. In fact I am consternated to see that. I don't want to take away your fun out from making long-hair fast motions up and down, but wtf is that?
I can't hear a musical note, I can't hear distinctly a word, I can't see clearly anything. Is like reciting a poem behind a Boeing reactor on a heavy blurred day, even animals will clear off from such noise, yet I see humans obviously enjoying it, and this is what is consternating me. 
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Galaad
Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
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posted November 08, 2015 01:33 AM |
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Damn these classical pianists, they can't hear a thing.
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Drakon-Deus
Undefeatable Hero
Qapla'
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posted November 08, 2015 08:48 AM |
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I just like what I like. Musical taste can't be simply defined.
Fearless
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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 08, 2015 03:26 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Neither. In fact I am consternated to see that. I don't want to take away your fun out from making long-hair fast motions up and down, but wtf is that?
I can't hear a musical note, I can't hear distinctly a word, I can't see clearly anything. Is like reciting a poem behind a Boeing reactor on a heavy blurred day, even animals will clear off from such noise, yet I see humans obviously enjoying it, and this is what is consternating me.
Welcome to the world of metal concert bootlegs.
This is what people usually bring home from live shows when they film them using mobile devices. The main purpose of this video is to demonstrate the light show - you don't have to try to hear the words or music, it's supposed that you already know this song or at least are interested to check the studio version and compare, receiving a clue how the band plays this specific song live. Bootlegs are not official videos, they serve another purpose.
Given that you're not into rock absolutely, I guess I'm just wasting time If it matters, I can say that it's a very good bootleg with nice visuals. Usually they are much worse.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 08, 2015 08:22 PM |
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I don't know, is not about being into or not, is about attitude vs artistic forms identities and connections. I have same problem with most of contemporary classical music; there is no melody, no harmony, then the usual answer is "don't look for that, is not about melody or harmony, but about revolutionary concept". Same for people painting two colors on a canvas then advertising it in museums near Renaissance masters.
At one moment, when you skip any standard comparison with the past, when the techniques used borrow mostly nothing from the safe legacy, then you can claim anything, then brag on the free-from-critic way. But what sweats -for those still having an ear with safe connections and education- from that mystical concept is the lack of any real technique or perfectionism goal: basically you can scream snow, play snow, nobody hears it.
You told it, it doesn't matter what you hear. Of I find this sad, because the moments we share art with others are about enhancing and transcending common chain of words, sons or colors; but this time with a unique creative meaning, and with the unique goal of render them beautiful. Sure, there can be beauty also in the darkness and hate, but then it takes much more skill and culture to elevate it near other artworks.
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Era II mods and utilities
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted November 08, 2015 08:47 PM |
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I love Rock music but I also think the more it became about a circus buzz, the more it lost artistic creativity. The Beatles decided not to do live shows anymore back in 1966, at the height of their popularity. They just thought it was meaningless to play when no one could hear anything because of the fans screaming. Ironically, sometimes it is the screaming of the fans what is sold in the market today.
Conceptual art is not a sham though, that's entirely different. It's just harder to select the true gems because the criteria is not about how much sweating the craft required. But then again, is it entirely different when it comes to the classical era? I can imagine it must be much harder to play a Liszt composition than to play this, does that make Liszt better than Bach:
The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 1 - Prelude #1 In C, BWV 846
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Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 08, 2015 09:02 PM |
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Is not about difficulty, but the evident lack of skill most times. It is this century invention that anything can become everything, you just have to drop it then pull the "its my taste" lame excuse.
Can you imagine some student going to study with Da Vinci then snowting a 2 color canvas as homework? What would be master reaction? Do you think that he would sit down, take his serious posing stance and try to reinvent the wheel? No man, a kick in the a$$ then take the door. Or, -to fit this example- how the King Elvis would react when confronted to a chaotic noise which has the pretension to call itself rock, in order to self construct a validity?
All I say is that is sad when people who always seem to have a standard critical eye when related to design, to architecture, to literature etc, totally give up when is about music, as if music was some alien matter, out of categories, critiques and valid structures.
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artu
Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted November 08, 2015 09:18 PM |
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I guess, that's because while you're receiving it, music is the most abstract among all arts.
Literature, especially poetry, has its traps too, though. I have met more people who are under the impression that they are undiscovered poets, than I have met people who think they can play the guitar although they can't.
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Are you pretty? This is my occasion. - Ghost
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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 08, 2015 09:21 PM |
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Edited by orzie at 21:25, 08 Nov 2015.
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All I say is that is sad when people who always seem to have a standard critical eye when related to design, to architecture, to literature etc, totally give up when is about music, as if music was some alien matter, out of categories, critiques and valid structures.
What actually makes me real sad is when people who are used to somewhat "classic" form of art are so close-minded that they can never tolerate anything that is beyond, regardless if a specific piece of classic form truly finds the response in people's hearts or not. Your words about "no melody" describe that fine: there is actually a lot of melody in music beyond 19th century. It's just in a form you cannot understand. Personally, I can listen to classics very rarely, I usually don't seek for things this music provides.
You see, heavy metal concerts are always shows. It's no less show business than any other kinds of one; actual headbanging is usually done to raise the dynamics of what happens on stage there, and you know, it's really cool to headbang while you listen to heavier kinds of rock. It's more like music of the body, but still finds a lot of feedback from the soul, so to say. Examples from the old rock bands of the past don't count; rock music has made a lot of cultural influence, and different rock shows are always different, and such are the fans.
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You told it, it doesn't matter what you hear.
I concerned only a specific bootleg video (of my band) which I posted earlier. This bootleg has no value to you because you are not into heavy metal. To someone who is really fond of heavy metal, it can show a real lot about the band's live performance and the people's reaction over it. The sound is not discernible if you try to listen to the song; but like I said, this video is not a demonstration of a song, it's like a small clue how a fan sees the metal show, with a note that his mobile device cannot record the sound and video in original quality. So I would simply advise you to let it go rather try to really understand, there is a lot of forms of art which I personally also can't stand but I don't prefer snowting over something - if something is liked by someone, it has a right to exist. This is what makes art a necessary part of human development.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 08, 2015 09:49 PM |
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Absolutely, every form of art has a right to exist and I do not deny that. However, you posted in the "music" thread, so the close minded I am would love to: hear the sons and the words in your concert.
Because this is what music is about: clarity and correct execution, then and only then we can speculate on the artistic message behind. Those who affirm the contrary never produced anything surviving the history.
Funny how critical you can be when something is not fitting your critical eye -for example Heroes 3 mods design, but when a critical ear is considering your musical work, it suddenly become close-minded. 
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orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted November 08, 2015 10:01 PM |
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Edited by orzie at 22:17, 08 Nov 2015.
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Funny how critical you can be when something is not fitting your critical eye -for example Heroes 3 mods design, but when a critical ear is considering your musical work, it suddenly become close-minded.
I didn't think there is a thread for live shows so I dropped it here.
If I wanted to show pure audio, I'd drop this one.
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Funny how critical you can be when something is not fitting your critical eye -for example Heroes 3 mods design, but when a critical ear is considering your musical work, it suddenly become close-minded.
I'm the same if speaking about metal. You have no idea how many crappy metal songs I had to hear in my life.
Your analogy of this kind would make sense only if you were an artist/game designer and really understood what fits to the game and what doesn't. You know, it's like you try to compose something in Bach's style and make everyone believe it's really Bach who made this, or at least his student whose composition inherited specific traits from Bach's music.
Finally, if a person who more or less shares my musical taste didn't approve my work, it would make a more constructive discussion. For now it's more like arguing about H3 mods design while one side likes completely different graphic style and doesn't care about H3 style/dislikes 1999's plastic prerenders.
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