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Thread: Why Heroes IV is the best game in the series This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV / NEXT»
Baronus
Baronus


Famous Hero
posted May 28, 2016 01:40 PM

Kiryiu deleted. Dont told why...

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kiryu133
kiryu133

Hero of Order
Highly illogical
posted May 28, 2016 03:31 PM

Baronus said:
Kiryiu deleted. Dont told why...


We are determining whether the Link is safe or not as it's hard to determine on my own.

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Baronus
Baronus


Famous Hero
posted May 28, 2016 05:09 PM

Firewalls? Thanks for answer. In modern Win are crazy
I downloaded it 2 years ago and for these years my the same comp is ok. This person who do it is known in our forum.

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CTPAHHuK
CTPAHHuK


Adventuring Hero
krs.83@mail.ru
posted May 28, 2016 05:32 PM

but mod is rdy?

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Baronus
Baronus


Famous Hero
posted May 28, 2016 09:10 PM

Ready for a few years...

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted May 30, 2016 11:49 AM
Edited by BrennusWhiskey at 11:52, 30 May 2016.

frostymuaddib said:
BrennusWhiskey said:
Of course you are wrong. Like many players which didn't discover big depth of strategy of H4.


Lol. So you are saying that most of the players are wrong, and you are right? Just to clear things: I like H4, but it has it's flaws, a lot of them.


Question if something is better is not the decision of the majority because everyone has right to have his own opinion. So you cannot say "of course h3 is better than h4". Me, myself and many h4 players can say: of course you are wrong.
Personally I think that h4 is only one game in the series that is worthy of big attention and every part of heroes made after is worse.
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Baronus
Baronus


Famous Hero
posted May 30, 2016 05:12 PM

Of course everyone has right to subiective opinion. BUT THERE ARE OBJECTIVE FACTS! Some people love MMIX the best. But it is worst game in MM series. There is no way to say thats it is only subiective. And maybe MMVI is worst and MMIX the best.
Heroes IV is unfinished, bad ballanced, with very stupid AI, addons are very weak. HIII is finished with big and very good AB addon, ballanced, with good AI. Its no way to tell is worst than HIV. Objective facts.

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted May 30, 2016 05:28 PM

Baronus said:
Of course everyone has right to subiective opinion. BUT THERE ARE OBJECTIVE FACTS! Some people love MMIX the best. But it is worst game in MM series. There is no way to say thats it is only subiective. And maybe MMVI is worst and MMIX the best.
Heroes IV is unfinished, bad ballanced, with very stupid AI, addons are very weak. HIII is finished with big and very good AB addon, ballanced, with good AI. Its no way to tell is worst than HIV. Objective facts.


Objectively & shortly about Homm III:
-Bad graphic (in comparison to HIV very bad)
-Bad battle system - you need only to collect big army and thats all. In Homm IV things are much complicated. You are really LEARN spells and you can really CHOOSE different tactic for every game. Players that know how to PROPERLY fight with heroes on the battlefield surely will agree with me.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted May 30, 2016 05:53 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 18:18, 30 May 2016.

BrennusWhiskey said:
I think that h4 is only one game in the series that is worthy of big attention and every part of heroes made after is worse.

You leave in a dream. Conceptually heroes IV is by far the best of the series but AI opponents completly suck. You can have amazing fixed battles but is almost impossible to buff AI opponents and have them running on the map, in the harder difficulties if you play badly they suicide on their way to you.

BrennusWhiskey said:
-Bad battle system - you need only to collect big army and thats all. In Homm IV things are much complicated.

Better said: I have some idea of how to play Heroes IV.

Metataxer

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted May 30, 2016 06:17 PM

bloodsucker said:
BrennusWhiskey said:
I think that h4 is only one game in the series that is worthy of big attention and every part of heroes made after is worse.

You leave in a dream. Conceptually heroes IV is by far the best of the series but AI opponents completly suck. You can have amazing fixed battles but is almost impossible to buff AI opponents and have them running on the map, in the harder difficulties if you play badly they suicide on their way to you.


I was never interested in playing vs AI and I am "bad mannered" here because I told few words about guys who have a problem with AI in HIV. So yes, I have to agree - AI sucks in this game. Its not a problem for me!

But if someone thinks he is master because easy wins all campaigns on champion mode with AI - I would advice to try some game with decent human player. Then such "master" will find out himself as easier to beat than AI at the easiest level.
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Karmakeld
Karmakeld


Known Hero
posted May 30, 2016 06:27 PM

Karmakeld

No doubt the AI needs help, but on CH there were actually alot of discussion on ways to improve/help the AI. Ofcourse this requires scripting, but a program is being developed, which will allow for any (pre made) script to easily be added to any map. Hopefully the fans will help compile a script library, with useful ways to help improve the AI.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted May 30, 2016 06:29 PM

AI doesn't exist and there is no Random Map Generator, how can this be the best for MP? You and your friends have some tactics that work against each other in the same custom maps and that makes you the champion? You are so biased you make me question my own attachment to Heroes IV.

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Karmakeld
Karmakeld


Known Hero
posted May 30, 2016 06:35 PM

bloodsucker said:
.. and there is no Random Map Generator...


The current one isn't very user friendly, but I just want to add, that a map generator is being made, and the progress is good. Hopefully it'll also include a Random map generator.

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted May 30, 2016 06:58 PM

bloodsucker said:
AI doesn't exist and there is no Random Map Generator, how can this be the best for MP? You and your friends have some tactics that work against each other in the same custom maps and that makes you the champion? You are so biased you make me question my own attachment to Heroes IV.


This is not a question of "few online friends with some tactics" man. I played with hundreds of players from all continents over the world (except Antarctica)

I can assure you - if you dont tried this game online - you will surely lose with every experienced player on every balanced map.


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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted May 30, 2016 07:26 PM

Have u ever surfed? Well, if you never steped a foot on water in your life I bet I can beat u despise my actual 110 kgs, experience means everything.
But that doesn't make the version the more suitable for MP.

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Baronus
Baronus


Famous Hero
posted May 30, 2016 08:05 PM

Of course potentialy Heroes IV wolud be better but was not finished. As you know HIV is my favorite game. I still play it. Im one of world best lover of HIV (Its hard to find people who like...). But facts are facts. If you dont use RMG, singleplayer etc. you cant tell it is not usefull. In HIII we have genial RMG and good singpl. In HIV no. Facts. Its no way tell that unfinished, bad ballanced, with stupid AI, with no RMG game is better than game finished, ballanced, with good AI, with RMG etc. etc. We rate games how was published orginally...

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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted May 30, 2016 08:05 PM

bloodsucker said:
Have u ever surfed? Well, if you never steped a foot on water in your life I bet I can beat u despise my actual 110 kgs, experience means everything.
But that doesn't make the version the more suitable for MP.


I thought we are talking about the game and not about praising who is the best in other things. In fact I am not the best h4 player online - maybe just average.

Simply bothers me criticizing things you do not know at all. Surfing is beautiful sport and I dont say more because actually I never surfed at all.

Maybe you should just find a forum like "things I love to do".  I dont visit other forums just to write things like: "oh what a horrible game" because I dont care.

Instead of surfing I can offer you online h4 game. If you dont want to lose quickly - there are also unexperienced players active on GameRanger.
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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Supreme Hero
posted May 30, 2016 08:28 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:20, 30 May 2016.

BrennusWhiskey said:
I thought we are talking about the game and not about praising who is the best in other things.
Does anyone else reads what I said like this?

I f..ing love Heroes IV, I have done dozens of scripted objects, towns that when AI heroes visit them give skills and experience, objects that provide "random" battles based on best heroes levels, complex objects that tell stories, maps, etc... But I may take weeks to finnish a Heroes IV map, I will never try to schedule something like a competition in one of my maps.

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Zmudziak22
Zmudziak22


Famous Hero
posted May 31, 2016 09:07 PM

Heroes 4 was very unique in series. NWC make it more to main series Might and Magic. I like idea to kill hero on battlefield instead of sending him to Tavern like in H3 or H5. What wanna change is camera from 2.5d to 2d or full 3d.

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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


Promising
Legendary Hero
posted May 31, 2016 10:51 PM

BrennusWhiskey said:
I dont visit other forums just to write things like: "oh what a horrible game" because I dont care.


Most of us here likes HoMM IV, it's not back in the days where people would casually bash the game anymore. It just doesn't mean we all favor HoMM IV compared to other installments, and I think it make sense to explain why that is.

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