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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 22, 2014 01:35 PM |
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Thanks poly, so... I'm a bit of a noob in all things computer wise with the exception of games and documents, RedEmperor can u pls check one of our games in replay and tell me my elo? If it's possible ofc.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 22, 2014 03:52 PM |
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So.. tried the weekly format.. no Thank you. anything based on open sucks and this game forces me to play it.. I'm off to MaM X
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 23, 2014 07:50 AM |
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watcher83 said:
Thanks poly, so... I'm a bit of a noob in all things computer wise with the exception of games and documents, RedEmperor can u pls check one of our games in replay and tell me my elo? If it's possible ofc.
It's possible. Steps to view your ELO (note: your ELO is that which is prior the duel):
1. Log in to MmDocking
2. Go to replays
3. Select "upload replay"
4. Browse path  c:\users\documents & settings\...application data\M&M duel of champions\replays\
5. Select the most recent saved replay file and upload
Anyway, I think DoC should show your ELO level, you don't have to see the opponents, but at least your own...
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 23, 2014 09:09 AM |
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ps... you actually don't need to complete the upload, you can just drag the replay file into the "allocated window" and it will load up showing you you're elo ;
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 23, 2014 09:37 AM |
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Ty guys for the info apparently right now I am 1566 elo, appreciate the help.
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 23, 2014 09:45 AM |
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watcher83 said:
Ty guys for the info apparently right now I am 1566 elo, appreciate the help.
n1 watcher!!, the highest i've climbed was 1589, right now im only 1531 - entering noobieville 
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 23, 2014 09:58 AM |
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So, in regards to what I've been doing lately in doc..., was reading a couple of days ago the article on Acamas standard done by an unreadable name on mmdocking, and so I said let's translate this deck into open, the results were pretty good for a work in practice. To make a comparison with a Deleb rush deck which is so strong in std I hear/ see on streams in open Deleb rush does well vs Ignatius and Gazal, and that's about it, a medium strength deck at most ( although Hectoring might disagree, since I saw him in action in jp last week); on the other hand Acamas has the strength of the Deleb deck in being rushy, but can also tackle most of mid game, getting surprising victories with quick attack + strength of the tribe even in late game; it is rushy and I do not even use da's in the current version, so I think after almost a year of silence since the last road to Paris, Acamas is on the rise again in both formats.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 23, 2014 01:09 PM |
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Good point on Acamas. I am wondering if you would bring in the Tainted Orcs for open....those Cyclops brawlers with double attack work so well with Might of the Tribe...as with shredders too.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 23, 2014 01:25 PM |
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Your point with cyclop brawlers is valid, but dude, tainted orc is tainted orc, you cannot pass them in any stronghold deck, also keep in mind that I have removed my vultures and added 3 pao veterans, with one on the field the tainted orc hits for 5. ( which most of the times translates to killing a creature)
Also instead of 2 pao deathseekers and 2 shredders, I use 3 shredders and 1 panther warrior. ( which with one veteran and one mott hits both creatures on row for 7, and is also good for clearing up, not just poking)
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NamelessOrder
Famous Hero
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posted May 25, 2014 07:58 PM |
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 26, 2014 07:06 AM |
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No offense to all standard supporters here, but after seing this tournament and some streams on this format, I can say that it hasn't more variety than open like it was adverstised at the start; and ofc Hakeem in std is now what Kelthor was in open before HoN.
Imo the DocTeamLeague which is played in an open format is way way more entertaining and has more diverse picks.
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DoubleDeck
Promising
Legendary Hero
Look into my eyes...
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posted May 26, 2014 07:49 AM |
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I disagree Watcher.
In Open there are still only a few Heroes that are the top.
In Standard you do have top Heroes, but there is no garauntee of wins, every matchup has a counter and can win or lose against any matchup. That's what makes it good. Besides, there are no OP cards (or very few) in Standard).
I agree with you on tainted orcs above.....
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 26, 2014 07:54 AM |
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DoubleDeck said:
In Standard you do have top Heroes, but there is no garauntee of wins, every matchup has a counter and can win or lose against any matchup. That's what makes it good. Besides, there are no OP cards (or very few) in Standard).
Hakeem has won EVERY game, no matter the adversary's deck (Ariana, Dhamiria, Matewa, Deleb, Kat, etc.)
Keep in mind that all players who played him won, that is why I cannot understand why matrix_disc after getting into the finals with playing Hakeem only, didn't play him.
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 26, 2014 07:55 AM |
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double post sry
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RedEmperor30
Famous Hero
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posted May 26, 2014 09:06 AM |
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well... i watched the whole final last night from quarters/ semi's and watcher is correct, whoever played hakeem... beat their opponents - no matter who they faced.
one thing though that we must bare in mind is that these are the top players in the whole of DoC, they are better than most of us here, and in watching last night i learnt quite a bit.
Can Hakeem be beaten - yes
How often can Hakeem be beaten - not that often [10-15% chance]
IMO the counter deck to hakeem is... hakeem, or seria/ ariana & dhamiria [with strong removal of cards in place]
Does this mean he is the top deck - yes, why else would the top players be decimating opponents with him.
Duel of Hakeem live on until the dev's nerf, and then it will be duel of "........" ? there will always be one deck, that makes use of current meta restrictions and outshines the rest - ALWAYS
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 26, 2014 10:55 AM |
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RedEmperor is on the point with his observations; the intention of my post was not to say hey all you guys who play standard come play open, no far from that, but I was trying to point out that no matter the format there will always be dominant decks.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2014 11:38 AM |
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The difference for me is, that in standard you either have a chance, or your opponent plays in such a way he deserves it.
There are very few lock-down, only one OTK, and not that many OP cards.
Even if your opponent has a better deck, he still needs several cards and turns to make it work. And you rarely see a deck, that you just feel cheated to loose to, like I do against for example Gazal in Open.
This is why I prefer Standard over Open.
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Stevie
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted May 26, 2014 11:49 AM |
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I prefer std over open too!
Does that mean I have achieved Dave's level? 
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watcher83
Supreme Hero
Child of Malassa
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posted May 26, 2014 11:57 AM |
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DJ - 2 thoughts:
1) Gazal gets beaten really bad by Acamas, Kat, Kelthor, Zouleika, Deleb, Ignatius & Cassandra
2) just like wolf captains, tainted orcs, ff were overpowered in open, and everybody hated playing against them so too in std right now people are starting to hate djinn cloudshapers, circle of the nine etc. so all in all problems are similar; all formats have really strong decks/cards that annoy you when you play against them.
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Dave_Jame
Promising
Legendary Hero
I'm Faceless, not Brainless.
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posted May 26, 2014 12:35 PM |
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I'm not saing Gazal is the best, she is just not fun to play against, The open has to many cards that just make you feel down-right-sad,. That all your efforts are destroyed with 0 to NO effort of the enemy.
When a CS based Hakeem manages to survive my 2 BP played at turn 5, I have no problem with him winning.
I understand the Circle of the nine, since it is the base for the Only OTK and one of the best creature decks (Hakeem). CS-Djinns on the other hand... They are not as strong. The same could be said about PlagueB., but whitout the CoN the card is rather OK in itself.
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