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fred79
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posted February 13, 2014 08:22 PM |
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wow, that's news to me.
in iraq, muslim homosexuality was rampant. you would always see dudes flirting with other dudes, they were very open about their sexuality. my take on homosexual sex within the muslim world was from me talking directly with muslims. not to mention, it was a little obvious, what was going on.
i wonder if the rest of the muslim world knows about what was going on in iraq? from what i've seen and heard from the iraqi muslims themselves, the information in that link is in direct contradiction with reality...
i think i'll take real world experience, over anything written on the internet. because my experiences paint a very different picture of muslim sexual tendencies, or common muslim rule. it wasn't just ONE guy i heard this from, sal, it was ALL of them.
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artu
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posted February 13, 2014 08:35 PM |
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That's not true. Muslim conservatives, just like any other conservatives, condemn homosexuality and in some theocracies it is punishable by death. (It is not punishable by death in Quran itself though but considered a big sin). However, some say, it is more common in Islamic countries as an underground activity, since women an men live more separately and since women are all covered and are forbidden to talk to or get friendly with strangers etc etc, there is a level of estrangement between the genders. There is of course no way to test this, it's not in the open. You must keep in mind that the average Middle-Eastern person never directly insults or rebels against the state or it's restrictions, that's considered a stupid kind of bravery (and they have their reasons for that), the thing they do when they oppose a state law or ban is, they try to walk around it without attracting too much attention. Same thing with gays, as far as I know, the only Muslim country where they can have legal parades and open public demonstration is here (Turkey), and if they pick a place other than Istanbul, Izmir or Ankara (major big cities) for that, it will probably end up in public outrage and them being attacked and insulted by an angry crowd.
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posted February 13, 2014 08:38 PM |
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maybe they felt safe being on an american installation, i don't know. it sure wasn't concealed on-base, that's for sure. they made it very apparent, with a lot of groping, caressing, kissing, etc.
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posted February 13, 2014 08:50 PM |
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Salamandres post is blatantly off-topic. It's also complete nonsense.
It says, how can we critisize the Russians for acting PATRIOTICALLY against gays instead of doing the same thing in our countries, only more so and against the invasion force of the muslimse.
Preposterous.
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kayna
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posted February 13, 2014 08:51 PM |
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I did hear something about Iraq being somewhat open toward gay people, with others glaring at them, of course...well, like everywhere, I guess... and during, and after, the US intervention, there was more chaos and in that chaos, anti gay death squads formed and took the opportunity to kill some of those gay people. It seemed like the truth.
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artu
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posted February 13, 2014 09:02 PM |
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Edited by artu at 22:40, 13 Feb 2014.
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I agree it's kind of off-topic since this is about what the state should allow, not what a private citizen (Muslim or not) thinks about it as an opinion. Although, there really is an irony in what he mentions: Sub-cultures that are all being "tolerated" by liberal people sometimes lack that tolerance towards each other.
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posted February 13, 2014 09:03 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
It says
Well, no, it does not says that. I could detail it for you but I know your usual attitude in argues so I leave it off, you are the last person here whose arguments matter to me.
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fred79
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posted February 13, 2014 09:03 PM |
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kayna said:
I did hear something about Iraq being somewhat open toward gay people, with others glaring at them, of course...well, like everywhere, I guess... and during, and after, the US intervention, there was more chaos and in that chaos, anti gay death squads formed and took the opportunity to kill some of those gay people. It seemed like the truth.
i don't know about any of that. i'm only speaking from what i've directly experienced.
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posted February 13, 2014 10:32 PM |
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Salamandre said:
you are the last person here whose arguments matter to me.
I'm honoured.
By the way. Off-topic.
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posted February 14, 2014 12:52 AM |
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Guys, it's been so long since I had to break out my penalty stick. Are you really going to make me bring it out of the closet?
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posted February 14, 2014 07:27 AM |
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I was thinking that in a post about Russian anti-gay laws it's off-topic to point to a muslim controlled area in the world that sends "waves of pawns upon Europe", and I thought it was preposterous to excuse the Russian laws as "patriotic shield" on one hand and with the fact that it's worse in other countries on the other.
Is there anything wrong with that?
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kayna
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posted February 14, 2014 07:37 AM |
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Pointing out dirtier neighbors is a great excuse for ... any and all crap in the world. Try it out. Write 1 sentence about some snow, then write a second one about how its snowtier else where. Works every time
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