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ShadowCrush
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posted April 15, 2014 11:12 AM |
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Bastion, Harbor and Kremlin?
Hello there HC. I'm new, forgive me for not knowing better, but I have a question in regards to WoG. According to Wikipedia's article on the Heroes series ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic#Heroes_of_Might_and_Magic_3.5:_In_the_Wake_of_Gods[/url]), WoG supposedly includes three new custom-made towns: Bastion, Harbor and Kremlin.
Now, I'm pretty much, at least for now, just looking into trying a few fan-made towns, and see what the community has been able to cook up. So I decided to give WoG a go. It was not exactly easy to install (that's unfortunate for many players I fear), but I got around to it. However, I don't see any additional towns.
My two best guesses is that either 1: I need to install them seperately, or 2: They're all still in development. I have Google'd a bit, which didn't lead to much, other than a lot of dead download-links, so I decided to ask you guys what it's all about? I know it's weird to find something like that on Wikipedia, but the article also mentioned HotA, and that one is as described. So yeah, can anyone cast a bit of light on the matter, for the guy?
Have a great day!
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 15, 2014 11:19 AM |
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They all three didn't were produced officially.
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ShadowCrush
Tavern Dweller
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posted April 15, 2014 11:23 AM |
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Officially? I know they're not part part of the official Heroes 3, I mean for WoG. Do you mean that the towns are not actually made as part of WoG, but rather are individual mods?
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Dj
Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
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posted April 15, 2014 11:35 AM |
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they were planned for WoG version 3.59. Unfortunately, the project was abandoned, as far as we know.
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MattII
Legendary Hero
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posted April 15, 2014 12:02 PM |
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Pity, Bastion looked good, and almost finished. I don't suppose there's much chance of a resurrection of any of these in a different mod, say HotA or VCMI?
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Storm-Giant
Responsible
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posted April 15, 2014 01:28 PM |
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They won't happen in HotA, as HotA team has said several times that even their others planned towns aren't a sure thing.
In VCMI technically yes, they could be added. But they need all the graphics and such, and if there is no team to provide them...
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ShadowCrush
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posted April 15, 2014 02:43 PM |
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That sucks, but thanks for the info. To be honest, I'd probably be pretty bothered if the graphics weren't in check. I've seen some custom towns that look either down-right ugly, and/or just uses other towns.
Out of curiousity, what other towns are the HotA team planning?
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Storm-Giant
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posted April 15, 2014 03:05 PM |
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ShadowCrush said:
Out of curiousity, what other towns are the HotA team planning?
Initially they had planned Cove, Cathedral and Kronverk. But, as the project evolved (and they took them several years to make a tenth town posible in game), more new towns seems to be a bit far away. HotA team has said in the past that Forge town has certain progress and most likely will be the next town.
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Warmonger
Promising
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posted April 15, 2014 03:37 PM |
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Harbor has probably evolved into Cove and I don't expect it to come back anymore.
Kremlin was in advanced development stage, but is stopped.
Bastion team has dissolved. Some bits of work were shared and elaf continues to remake Bastion for VCMI. Not all the needed materials are available, though.
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ShadowCrush
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posted April 15, 2014 03:52 PM |
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Very interesting. I'm starting to get the feeling that Cove is a bit of one-of-a-kind then. Instead of asking in another thread, is there any other fan-made towns of that quality out there?
Also, Warmonger, you say Harbor possibly turned into Cove, but aren't WoG and HotA made by two different teams?
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 15, 2014 04:34 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 16:51, 15 Apr 2014.
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Warmonger said:
Harbor has probably evolved into Cove and I don't expect it to come back anymore.
Kremlin was in advanced development stage, but is stopped.
Bastion team has dissolved. Some bits of work were shared and elaf continues to remake Bastion for VCMI. Not all the needed materials are available, though.
Kremlin doesn't have even one unit fully completed, as i know. Because Alex-Ander HDD gone dead with all graphics.
So i don't believe it will be finished one day officially.
Bastion materials are almost completed, but team decided to not share them. There is slight possibility it will come out with advanced version of WOG 3.59
PS Harbor is not evolved into Cove. HOTA Team took idea without permission. So Harbor team guilted HOTA team in thievery.
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ShadowCrush
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posted April 15, 2014 04:56 PM |
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According to Wikipedia, Harbor would have been based on Greek mythology, which would have been cool, sure, but not a lot like Cove. So, at least to a newbie like me, I don't think Harbor really could have evolved into Cove, nor that the HotA team could really have stolen that much. Actually, I think both Harbor and Cove are two great, but not really related, ideas. At least if Harbor really is supposed to be based on Greek mythology.
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Storm-Giant
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posted April 15, 2014 05:02 PM |
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Macron1 said:
PS Harbor is not evolved into Cove. HOTA Team took idea without permission. So Harbor team guilted HOTA team in thievery.
Oh boy, here we go again...
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Orzie
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Supreme Hero
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posted April 15, 2014 06:50 PM |
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So when the idea of Regnan Pirates was copyrighted by anyone except NWC?
Stop that talk.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 15, 2014 08:03 PM |
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Edited by Macron1 at 20:07, 15 Apr 2014.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 16, 2014 04:05 AM |
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Sea Serpents are present in MM6 and MM7, and their concept has been already defined before Hota and Cove projects emerged. Hota's Aspids replicate this concept on more than 50%.
If you doubt, just play MM6 and go to Dragonsand or Castle Alamos.
And anyways, any argument on that point is a matter of the very old past. We can see what is now.
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Macron1
Supreme Hero
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posted April 16, 2014 08:27 AM |
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Orzie said:
Sea Serpents are present in MM6 and MM7, and their concept has been already defined before Hota and Cove projects emerged. Hota's Aspids replicate this concept on more than 50%.
If you doubt, just play MM6 and go to Dragonsand or Castle Alamos.
And anyways, any argument on that point is a matter of the very old past. We can see what is now.
I just mentioned facts, i'm not saying anything except there is a some grudge between Harbor and HOTA teams, that had led to Harbor works stopping.
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Orzie
Responsible
Supreme Hero
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posted April 16, 2014 08:32 AM |
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Well, I don't think the similarity of the 7th lvl creature is a decent reason to stop the entire project. Many internal conflicts in the team is a more likely reason. And now we can see that only the Cove project made it through time, which apparently is a matter of many different aspects.
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